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re: Just diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:29 am to AFtigerFan
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:29 am to AFtigerFan
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How long have you been on the carnivore diet?
2 years.
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What changes have you seen with your weight, body makeup,
completely recomped my body after a near 6 year layoff from gym and eating standard American diet. Am 6'3 215 to 218 depending on how much fluid I drink that day. 32" waist. All I care about is how big my waist is and cardiovascular health anything else is gravy.
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I know you don’t count calories on the carnivore diet, but what does your daily meal plan look like
Train at 5:00 AM free weights and then 35 min cardio on treadmill at 14% incline and 3.0 speed (6 days a week)
6:30 AM - 50 gram whey isolate shake
10:30 AM - 16 oz ribeye steak and 50 gram whey isolate shake
3:30 PM - 1 pound 85/15 grass fed beef and 50 gram whey isolate shake
5:00 PM - half pound 85/15 grass fed beef with 3 scrambled eggs and 3 slices bacon (Wright Brand)
Drink 1 gallon of water a day. Train at 5:00 AM with a caffeinated pre-workout Training is 'bodybuilding' specific but I'm not trying to break any records in strength or size I just want the biggest shoulders, smallest waist and biggest thighs possible naturally.
Supplement with Creatine HCL
Also currently using boron, DHEA, and grass fed beef liver protocol (it is working)
Use ZMA and 60mg of melatonin on empty stomach before bed
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your personal story with it and your diabetes
Don't have diabetes I just found out through trial and error that for me personally I work better with fats as energy source than carbs so I do carnivore. At 40+ it is basically a cheat code in my opinion but what works for me might not work for you and vice versa everybody is different. Last time I went to have bloods taken the MD couldn't believe how good all my vitals were they were all pretty much bang on I was concerned because there are some who think Carnivore is not good long term. If my numbers were off I would stop immediately and pivot to another diet as my goal is overall health and wellness nothing else. Going back in 60 days after I run the DHEA/boron protocol to see what if anything changed. Then, will look at if I need to look at TRT goal is to avoid for as long as possible. One of the biggest factors in all of this is sleep. Getting 8 hrs every night has been crucial for my progress. It is a game changer.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:38 am to NewOrleansBlend
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You said this guy can’t control his diabetes and eat with his family.
God dammit nowhere did I say that. He can eat with his family he needs to prepare his own meals and not let kids dictate what he eats. His wife can cook for herself and kids.
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The one constant with you is opinions without strong facts
I've used myself as a test rat for my whole lifting existence. I can assure you I'm not going to waste my time with something that doesn't work.
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Referencing a doctor who is financially wed to carnivore and therefore biased isn’t evidence, it’s marketing.
I didn't bring him up someone else did first. Ken Berry is no different than all the other 'gurus' people tout on here. If you don't like him ignore him. There are tons on people in health sphere I can't stand and guess what? I ignore them. If your position is carnivore doesn't work or is unsustainable etc thats a you problem. It works for many and is not guaranteed to work for all.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 9:39 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:45 am to AFtigerFan
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Just diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes
Check out this company that is dedicated to helping people reverse out of it.
Virta Health
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:47 am to ronricks
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6:30 AM - 50 gram whey isolate shake 10:30 AM - 16 oz ribeye steak and 50 gram whey isolate shake 3:30 PM - 1 pound 85/15 grass fed beef and 50 gram whey isolate shake 5:00 PM - half pound 85/15 grass fed beef with 3 scrambled eggs and 3 slices bacon (Wright Brand)
That’s easily $30+ a day in food without supplements, right?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:52 am to Earnest_P
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That’s easily $30+ a day in food without supplements, right?
Don't have a clue. I shop the sales and have no brand loyalty to any store. I get stuff from WalMart, Aldi, Kroger, Fresh Market, and even Publix. Whoever has sales that week I load up especially on the steaks and beef.
I get all my protein from Transparent labs or Earth Fed Muscle. Won't purchase unless I have at least 20% off coupon code (which both do almost every month) Used 20% off on Earth Fed Muscle yesterday.
I am very frugal and will not buy something unless it is on sale and I load up.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:53 am to Popths
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Find cardio less impactful on your joints. Swimming is great.
Get a decent rowing machine, put a TV on the wall in front of it. Row and watch TV. It's a win/win.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:55 am to AFtigerFan
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I'll look into those. I also have to be realistic that whatever diet I do will be embraced by my wife and kids
Tough love answer incoming, that's complete bullshite. You are responsible for your diet. So if that means you cook or prepare something different than them, so be it. And if the whole family's diet is shite, then you all need to change together and make adjustments as a family.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:16 am to Big Scrub TX
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Virta Health
My employer pays for Virta. If you can get it for free then do it.
If not, I've posted the plan above. They will advocate for 30 grams of carbs per day, around 160 grams of protein per day (depending on OPs weight and goals) and to add 1 tablespoon of fat to each meal. Their goal is to get you into ketosis and stay there and thus get you off medication. They don't really push for any sort of exercise which I find odd.
OP, you should also check out berberine. It's been discussed here many times.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:11 pm to Oates Mustache
quote:Thats exactly what I’m saying and why I said it’s for the whole family.
And if the whole family's diet is shite, then you all need to change together and make adjustments as a family
quote:No, it is absolutely not bullshite. Not even slightly. There are lots of diet options out there (carnivore, paleo, Mediterranean, just reducing carbs, etc.). It would be smart to choose a healthy option that I feel the entire family would benefit from and stick with. To me, that’s common sense.
that's complete bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:22 pm to AFtigerFan
Dont jump headfirst into Keto, you will fail. I would immediately add 30 minutes of walking to your day and cut out all liquid calories. Give that 2 weeks. After two weeks, you will have lost some weight and the ball will be rolling. At that point youll see that you CAN change your body and your motivation will then be at a level to start Keto.
Try a 48 hour fast before you try keto. If you have the discipline and motivation to do that, you are ready. If not, keep making small changes(add more walking, remove snacks) until you get to a more motivated state.
Hardly anyone can just jump into keto cold turkey and stay with it. Frankly, if you possessed that level of motivation and discipline(about your body) than you wouldnt be in the state you are right now.
Try a 48 hour fast before you try keto. If you have the discipline and motivation to do that, you are ready. If not, keep making small changes(add more walking, remove snacks) until you get to a more motivated state.
Hardly anyone can just jump into keto cold turkey and stay with it. Frankly, if you possessed that level of motivation and discipline(about your body) than you wouldnt be in the state you are right now.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:55 pm to AFtigerFan
Accept that it will kill you if you ignore it.
Find a healthy diet that's sustainable and forget about sugar, bread and processed food.
Exercise, a lot.
I assume you have an endocrinologist?
I know people who have controlled it with just diet, basically lower carbs and strict portion control.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:13 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:My plan is the simple stuff first… no fast food, no white rice, no pasta, no white bread. No junk food in the house such as chips that I would munch on. That’s going to help a ton overall. I may not need a strict keto diet but we’ll see.
Dont jump headfirst into Keto, you will fail
quote:Luckily the only thing I drink is water, unsweetened tea, and black coffee. I gave up soft drinks in 2011.
I would immediately add 30 minutes of walking to your day and cut out all liquid calories
I’m currently running 3 times a week now but will add walking in every day. Good idea. I’m weight training 2 times a week and will up that to 3 total body weight training days a week.
I used to do all of this, but after retiring I just got complacent. This was a wake up call so I’m back at it.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:32 pm to AFtigerFan
quote:If you're going to cut out the "bad rice", then cut out brown, not white.
no white rice
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:36 pm to AFtigerFan
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My plan is the simple stuff first… no fast food, no white rice, no pasta, no white bread. No junk food in the house such as chips that I would munch on. That’s going to help a ton overall. I may not need a strict keto diet but we’ll see.
Sounds like a good plan already, and you are right, you may not need keto.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:30 pm to ronricks
You’re kinda dickish to be giving advice to people. Just saying.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:00 pm to ronricks
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At 40+ it is basically a cheat code in my opinion
Seconded.
Zero supplements, unless you want to call salt a supplement. Just carnivore and to be even more precise, my diet is about 90% ribeye steak. I'll eat seafood once a month or so. Never fried, just baked w/ rolled Amish butter.
Tons of health benefits along the way, including lowered A1C, that I can get into if you like, other than the "exterior" changes I've had in the 15 months I've been eating this way.
I feel a little weird posting this, but this is me....I'm going to be 50 this year.
Yes, I'm a huge fan of Javier Milei.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:54 pm to AFtigerFan
Are you measuring your blood glucose? If so, how often?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 2:48 am to AFtigerFan
Most people will really drop A1C with good diet choices if they don't have other issues that are affecting glucose control. Forget running. Lift weights, maybe throw in some tabata stuff on something like a Rogue Echo Bike, or kettle bell swings, etc if you want to feel you're doing cardio.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:48 am to NewOrleansBlend
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Show me a randomized control trial of carnivore vs a calorie controlled diet and/or exercise where weight loss is equated that shows superiority.
The calorie model, to me, seems to be a refutation of the entire field of endocrinology. People want to talk thermodynamics, but that doesn't hold when different foods produce different effects.
Also, trying to equate for weight loss is probably impossible and I don't see how it's logical.
Weight loss is downstream of the intervention, it's an outcome. Weight loss and biochemistry markers are so tightly intertwined that it would be insanely problematic from a conceptual level and probably impossible mathematically to introduce an intervention and then stratify further outcomes according to weight loss. If you had a model where these things were concretely downstream such as diet to weight loss to promotion at work, that would be feasible. But here, things are too interwoven. If you draw a causal diagram you'll quickly find arrows leading forward and backwards and you'll have a cyclic diagram, and that is intractable mathematically.
Here's an excerpt from a review article on keto v calorie restriction, discussing the results of a study.
In another study [33] concerning the effects of ketogenic diet in comparison with low-calorie diet in type 2 diabetes it has been shown that although both LCD and LCKD had beneficial effects on type 2 diabetes, the ketogenic diet has more advantages over the conventional LCD in obese diabetic subjects. Three hundred and sixty-three overweight and obese subjects (86 men and 277 women) were enrolled in this 24-week trial. Among the men, 28 were diabetic and 58 were nondiabetic; among the women, 74 were diabetic and 203 were nondiabetic. Altogether, 102 participants had type 2 diabetes and 261 were nondiabetic. The inclusion criteria of diabetic subjects in this study were as follows. The age of the patient should be at least 18 years, the BMI should be >25 kg/m2 and the fasting serum glucose level should be >125 mg/dL (>6.9 mmol/L). Patients with renal insufficiency, liver disease, or unstable cardiovascular disease were excluded from the study. The participants were asked to select either a low-calorie diet or LCKD. Initially, participants in the LCKD group were given about 20 g/day of carbohydrates.
Written instructions concerning the importance and how to complete the food records were given to all participants before the beginning of the study. All the paricipants realized the seriousness of this and were very cooperative in completing the take-home food record as per the directions. All the participants submitted the completed food records at the beginning of the study and at weeks 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, and 24. Similar to the previous study mentioned above [33], all the parameters such as blood glucose level, body weight, total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, and triglycerides were determined before and at 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, and 24 weeks after the administration of the LCD or LCKD. In addition, changes in hemoglobin and glycosylated hemoglobin at the time points mentioned above were measured. Hypoglycemic episodes and symptomatic side effects in participants in both the diet groups were assessed by direct interview of the participant on a biweekly basis and necessary medication adjustment were done.
The results of this study showed that although the blood glucose level decreased in both the groups, the effectiveness of LCKD was more beneficial than the LCD group (Fig. ?(Fig.2).2). Furthermore, with regard to the blood glucose levels, the effectiveness of the LCKD was much greater (p < 0.0001) in the diabetic LCKD group than in the LCD group as compared to their initial and final measurements. A similar pattern was observed in the HbA1c levels (Fig. ?(Fig.2).2). As compared with the initial (week 1) and final (week 24), the effectiveness of the LCKD was much greater in normalizing the HbA1c level in the diabetic LCKD group than in the LCD group. There was a significant difference (p < 0.0001) in the body weight of both diabetic and nondiabetic participants in both the low calorie and ketogenic diet program. Similar to that observed in the above-mentioned parameters, there was a decrease in lipid levels in both diabetic and nondiabetic participants of the LCKD and LCD groups. The LCKD group, however, showed a significant decrease (p < 0.0001) in triglyceride, total cholesterol, and LDL levels and a significant increase in the HDL level (p < 0.0001) in the LCKD group as compared to the LCD group. In general, the LCD and LCKD had beneficial effects on all the parameters examined. Interestingly, these changes were pronounced in subjects who were on the LCKD as compared with those on the LCD.
Review article can be found at pubmed free full text
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 3:50 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:22 am to Havoc
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You’re kinda dickish to be giving advice to people.
The guy doesn’t have a plan and has been pre diabetic for 15 years and you want roses and tulips? Sometimes a little tough love is needed. We are all a work in progress on here. I’m open to new ideas but the ‘advice’ I gave wasn’t any different than several others in this thread. If that upsets you I’m sorry. It also wasn’t controversial it was pretty basic stuff considering he asked how to lower his A1C. There's more than one way to skin a cat and some are faster and more efficient if you are willing to do them. I provided one option of many that has worked for thousands of people. Doesn’t mean it will work for him. It’s completely transformed my body I will spare you the before pic because I was overweight with every single muscle atrophied and I had 38” waist and my chest more resembled titties than a male chest. This is last Saturday at 222 pounds only because I ate a sushi buffet the day before for lunch on my lone cheat meal of the month I allow myself. Normally am 215 to 218 max at 6’3. In a perfect world I would like to get to 210 but not sure I can do it naturally with my frame.
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