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BJJ practitioners: any concern about carotid artery dissection?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:59 pm
Basically, choke causes microtear in artery Clot forms, which later breaks off and travels to the brain, causing a stroke. LINK
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:22 pm to Jim Rockford
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This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:56 pm to Jim Rockford
What if, while riding my bike, I fall and hit my head on the concrete and die?
Swimming in the ocean?
Hiking a mountain?
Driving a car is probably the most dangerous thing we do every day.
Life can be risky, but sometimes it’s worth the risk to enjoy life.
Swimming in the ocean?
Hiking a mountain?
Driving a car is probably the most dangerous thing we do every day.
Life can be risky, but sometimes it’s worth the risk to enjoy life.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 1:38 pm to Jim Rockford
Never really even thought about this honestly. I’m more worried about the 2 stripe white belt spazzing out on me. I guess if it really bothered me, I would tap the moment someone locked in a choke on me instead of fighting every sub like it’s a life or death outcome.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:36 pm to SaintTiger80
quote:Meh, I know what you're saying but this is a silly line of argument.
What if, while riding my bike, I fall and hit my head on the concrete and die?
Swimming in the ocean?
Hiking a mountain?
Driving a car is probably the most dangerous thing we do every day.
Life can be risky, but sometimes it’s worth the risk to enjoy life.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 3:50 pm to MWP
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I’m more worried about the 2 stripe white belt spazzing out on me.
I take personal offense to this....and also understand.
As far as chokes, as soon as I feel real pressure on the artery, I tap. That may be because I have no defense to get out of it yet. After the first day feeling sliding collar chokes, I no longer felt the need to fight through it.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 2:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I know what you're saying but this is a silly line of argument.
If you get what I’m saying then it’s not silly at all.
My brother tore his ACL jumping for a rebound playing basketball.
I had a friend who fell off a boat and never came up again.
What are you going to do? Not play basketball or go out on the lake?
Obviously, preserve your life and evaluate risk, but don’t let worry dictate your life.
We are all going to die. Either wear your body out and enjoy life to the best you can. Or watch yourself grow old and weak while having never experienced the things you might have enjoyed.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 2:29 pm to Jim Rockford
Other than the philosophical advice..
As a bjj blue belt, either:
1) You are being too stubborn and need to tap earlier. You will be submitted 100s of times so there is no sense trying to tough it out once you are caught in a good choke. Just tap and reset. You’ll get more reps in and progress faster anyway.
2) The person you are rolling with is out of control and dangerous. If you get the feeling that he is trying to crank a choke too hard or is just overly aggressive in general. End the round and say I’m done rolling with you. You need to trust the people you are training with.
As a bjj blue belt, either:
1) You are being too stubborn and need to tap earlier. You will be submitted 100s of times so there is no sense trying to tough it out once you are caught in a good choke. Just tap and reset. You’ll get more reps in and progress faster anyway.
2) The person you are rolling with is out of control and dangerous. If you get the feeling that he is trying to crank a choke too hard or is just overly aggressive in general. End the round and say I’m done rolling with you. You need to trust the people you are training with.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:14 pm to Jim Rockford
IMO the most relevant portion of that report is the use of deca and tren.
The safe practice of strangulations and chokes in grappling has minimal risk of CAD.
The risk goes up as various risk factors increase. I would suspect using deca and tren would raise a person's risk of a CAD. I also suspect the demeanor and behavior of a deca and tren user as it pertains to a combat sport also increases the risk.
The safe practice of strangulations and chokes in grappling has minimal risk of CAD.
The risk goes up as various risk factors increase. I would suspect using deca and tren would raise a person's risk of a CAD. I also suspect the demeanor and behavior of a deca and tren user as it pertains to a combat sport also increases the risk.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 3:20 pm to SaintTiger80
quote:Well, I would argue the risks you attempted to compare are of different orders of magnitude to the one from the OP's query.
If you get what I’m saying then it’s not silly at all.
quote:Obviously doesn't compare to a potentially fatal injury.
My brother tore his ACL jumping for a rebound playing basketball.
quote:That's what life vests are for. I definitely think people are way too sanguine about boat safety. As someone who likes taking dips in colder waters, I've recently been sobered up into wearing a life vest for that, almost no matter, if it's in deeper waters. A friend of mine has a place on a pretty prominent lake in NC, and he pointed out how many people die annually just on that lake. I had guessed the rate was like 1 per 10 years and it's more like 5 per year! And some of them are people like me who jump in and have cold shock or whatever and just don't resurface. Scares the shite out of me.
had a friend who fell off a boat and never came up again.
quote:It's obviously all a spectrum. A hand to hand combat sport is not the same as playing basketball. However, I do like your mention of riding in cars. I routinely see people scared of all kinds of really remote risks thinking nothing of putting their kids in a car with a teen driver.
We are all going to die. Either wear your body out and enjoy life to the best you can. Or watch yourself grow old and weak while having never experienced the things you might have enjoyed.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 4:15 pm to Huey Lewis
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deca and tren
Interesting. I can totally understand Tren for both persons being an issue. Deca I don’t understand it’s a pretty mild anabolic and a decent amount of users are non-responders which isn’t the case for something like Tren.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
Sounds like we are in agreement!
Just mentioned basketball to illustrate that random injuries can happen anytime.
BJJ is very fun. I wrestled a little too and it’s fun. Once I get my purple belt, I’ll do some form of striking like boxing or Muay Thai.
Contemplating doing a MMA fight in a few years at 35.
Most hand to hand combat sports are not life threatening 99 percent of the time. BJJ in particular is special because it can be trained full speed with little fear of lasting high impact damage.
Most people should train some form of martial art in my opinion. It has transformative effects on people and does a lot of good for a person.
Just mentioned basketball to illustrate that random injuries can happen anytime.
BJJ is very fun. I wrestled a little too and it’s fun. Once I get my purple belt, I’ll do some form of striking like boxing or Muay Thai.
Contemplating doing a MMA fight in a few years at 35.
Most hand to hand combat sports are not life threatening 99 percent of the time. BJJ in particular is special because it can be trained full speed with little fear of lasting high impact damage.
Most people should train some form of martial art in my opinion. It has transformative effects on people and does a lot of good for a person.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 8:49 pm to SaintTiger80
quote:I'm older than that and would like to do BJJ, but it just seems so guaranteed to cause me a debilitating worsening of a couple of things I have (mostly spinal/neck related).
Contemplating doing a MMA fight in a few years at 35.
Most hand to hand combat sports are not life threatening 99 percent of the time. BJJ in particular is special because it can be trained full speed with little fear of lasting high impact damage.
Most people should train some form of martial art in my opinion. It has transformative effects on people and does a lot of good for a person.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:37 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I'm older than that and would like to do BJJ, but it just seems so guaranteed to cause me a debilitating worsening of a couple of things I have (mostly spinal/neck related).
I'm about to turn 38 and started a few months ago. I've definitely gotten injured. Had what I assumed was a bruised rib that had me out for 3 weeks. I get bumps and bruises pretty much every class. However, I've never come close to feeling like I'm gonna get some debilitating injury. Even the bruised rib didn't hurt when it happened. Just woke up in the morning with it after having 3 different partners get knee-on-belly on me. One of the many drags of sucking hard as a white belt
. Hardest part was staying away while it healed. Like others have said, it's wild in that you can train pretty hard and not get seriously hurt. Most people you are training with are trying to armbar you and make you feel like your arm is going to break, but they are careful not to accidently kick you in the face while they do it, haha. It's an odd thing, but it works. And you tap well before it's truly painful. You are trying your hardest not to hurt people while trying to get them in a position that they have to submit, because they know they will get hurt.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:26 am to Jon A thon
quote:Yeah, I hear you. It's very attractive for just these reasons. However, it's not the pain I'm afraid of - it's the loss of mobility due to possibly serious injury. I'm most worried about my neck - where I have some tearing an dessication of discs that already limits me in some activities. It just seems hard to imagine not really fricking those up even more!
'm about to turn 38 and started a few months ago. I've definitely gotten injured. Had what I assumed was a bruised rib that had me out for 3 weeks. I get bumps and bruises pretty much every class. However, I've never come close to feeling like I'm gonna get some debilitating injury. Even the bruised rib didn't hurt when it happened. Just woke up in the morning with it after having 3 different partners get knee-on-belly on me. One of the many drags of sucking hard as a white belt . Hardest part was staying away while it healed.
Like others have said, it's wild in that you can train pretty hard and not get seriously hurt. Most people you are training with are trying to armbar you and make you feel like your arm is going to break, but they are careful not to accidently kick you in the face while they do it, haha. It's an odd thing, but it works. And you tap well before it's truly painful. You are trying your hardest not to hurt people while trying to get them in a position that they have to submit, because they know they will get hurt.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
However, it's not the pain I'm afraid of - it's the loss of mobility due to possibly serious injury. I'm most worried about my neck - where I have some tearing an dessication of discs that already limits me in some activities.
It is a valid concern. Right after I got my Blue Belt in probably like 2009, I was rolling with a pretty big dude. I mean he was a gigantor, like a 6'4" lineman type dude but he was a beginner and was super raw. He was one of those guys that was just start to put 2 and 2 together in jits. Back then I wasn't exactly small, I was about 5'11" 210 and had super cardio but I was still just a baby Blue Belt and still kinda raw myself. I would stay at 210 or so and cut weight to 200 for tournamnents. Anyhow, I catch the guy in a quick triangle from my guard and before I could get good control of his posture he stacks me like a lawn chair which is a natural reaction to getting caught in a traingle. Hoowever, he becomes pretty much a dick puts all his weight on my neck to the point he is about to pile drive me. It was bad. Lost all feeling on my right side. One ruptured disc at C2 and 6 months of being off the mat later I became super anal about my neck. With that being said, you can work around injuries but you have to let whoever you roll with know up front and don't be afraid to tap. Problem is, you almost have to network who you roll with because you can tell that to some guys and they give zero fricks.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:36 pm to MWP
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gigantor
quote:
One ruptured disc at C2 and 6 months of being off the mat
Thanks for both chilling by blood AND making my decision for me.
I hope you've made a full recovery. Any lingering aspects?
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I hope you've made a full recovery. Any lingering aspects?
Not really. It was kind of humbling at first because I lost most of my upper body strength initially but it came back to about 90% through mostly decompression. Seriously not willing to scare you away from jits though. Just be prudent in training. It's just know who you roll with. I was the guy when I started out that did not want to get tapped, ever. I was a powerlifter then too and had crazy strength so I would literally break my arm off in an arm bar to not tap. I got scolded a lot by my instructors who are like my dad and brother to me now about slowing down and not using so much muscle. Plus when you are big, everybody thinks they need to muscle you back and that is not what BJJ is about.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 7:24 pm to MWP
That sucks man. I've had a few injuries but nothing that didn't heal, other than arthritis in my shoulders. I just have to take rest days when it hurts too bad. Still, BJJ is one of the best things I've done for myself.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:03 am to SimonSlick
quote:Can you say more, please?
Still, BJJ is one of the best things I've done for myself.
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