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re: Investing in individual Golfers is a failing venture(besides Tiger)
Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:45 pm to ell_13
Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:45 pm to ell_13
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Dunlap is now known as the only guy to win the Junior am, the am, and a pga event as an am. He did those things. The story is him. He moved the needle.
I watch a lot of golf - usually beginning in Feb once football is over. I knew who Dunlap was before this event.
I tuned in Sunday because he was potentially the first amateur to win a tournament since Phil. I would have tuned in for any amateur in that situation. It wasn’t about Dunlap.
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:57 pm to PhiTiger1764
You tuned in to see an Am player win a pga event. That am was Dunlap.
When people tune in to certain other events, they are watching to see if a player can somehow replicate his past performance and get closer to Jack. That is Tiger.
Just because pride wants to spin it as if a player’s draw isn’t all about his story doesn’t make it the case. Thats with every player and every event. They want to see what X player can do. Can he make history. It could be anyone. Tiger does have the most draw. His history/story is the most interesting of all and has been for a long time.
It doesn’t mean other players are worthless either. Sure, he’s worth the most but it doesn’t mean others have zero value.
When people tune in to certain other events, they are watching to see if a player can somehow replicate his past performance and get closer to Jack. That is Tiger.
Just because pride wants to spin it as if a player’s draw isn’t all about his story doesn’t make it the case. Thats with every player and every event. They want to see what X player can do. Can he make history. It could be anyone. Tiger does have the most draw. His history/story is the most interesting of all and has been for a long time.
It doesn’t mean other players are worthless either. Sure, he’s worth the most but it doesn’t mean others have zero value.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:07 pm to lsupride87
Man you consistently come up with some of the worst takes.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:09 pm to ell_13
Jon Rahm left the pga tour. It happened. Not a hypothetical
How much money in viewership, attendance, merchandise sold will they lose because of that. That is is actual ROI worth to the tour
My prediction is their bottom line won’t be hurt at all. You say it will
Let’s take a look at the end of the year. Their revenue went up in 2023, even though they lost multiple golfers. That should be impossible if I am so wrong and crazy and these golfers have such individual worth
Now, if Tiger left and went to liv? I think their bottom line would be hurt.
How much money in viewership, attendance, merchandise sold will they lose because of that. That is is actual ROI worth to the tour
My prediction is their bottom line won’t be hurt at all. You say it will
Let’s take a look at the end of the year. Their revenue went up in 2023, even though they lost multiple golfers. That should be impossible if I am so wrong and crazy and these golfers have such individual worth
Now, if Tiger left and went to liv? I think their bottom line would be hurt.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:19 pm to lsupride87
quote:Wait wait wait. If we are talking about the tour itself, then even Tiger being out barely loses them money. They’ve been profitable with and without him. He has certainly helped drive popularity and increased purses but they don’t dip when he’s left either. As far as sponsorships go for players, Rahm has kept his Mercedes, Rolex, Callaway, etc sponsorships. You think those companies lose money on him??
My prediction is their bottom line won’t be hurt at all. You say it will
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:23 pm to ell_13
quote:Uh, yeh. Guaranteed money. Contracts. Thought that was obvious. It makes zero sense for the tour or any tour tk offer these guys guaranteed contracts. There isn’t value
Wait wait wait. If we are talking about the tour itself,
Sponsorships fall into a completely different category because market share will be eaten alive if you don’t spend to stay visible
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:26 pm to lsupride87
quote:Even without Tiger around viewership went up from 2022 to 2023:
Uh, yeh. Guaranteed money. Contracts. Thought that was obvious. It makes zero sense for the tour or any tour tk offer these guys guaranteed contracts. There isn’t value
quote:
For the entire season, CBS said numbers were up about 1 percent to 2.206 million for its 42 PGA Tour broadcasts, but the nine designated (now signature) events were up 5 percent year over year.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:27 pm to ell_13
Right. But Tiger couldn’t play. If Tiger left and played on Liv for 14 events I think it would absolutely be a blow to the Tours bottom line.
He is worth a guaranteed investment. I don’t see that with any other individual golfer
He is worth a guaranteed investment. I don’t see that with any other individual golfer
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:34 pm to lsupride87
Yeah, but…
1) The tour seems to be doing just fine without Tiger. There is still growth there. And who knows what kind of interest/stories will drive viewership.
2) Tiger isn’t a good investment due to risk. He can’t seem to finish more than a few tournaments every year and the ones he will compete in, there’s a no guarantee (like there used to be) that he’s on TV for the weekend.
3) When Rahm won the masters last year it was the most watched Sunday in 5 years… more even than 2019. I wonder who won it that year.
1) The tour seems to be doing just fine without Tiger. There is still growth there. And who knows what kind of interest/stories will drive viewership.
2) Tiger isn’t a good investment due to risk. He can’t seem to finish more than a few tournaments every year and the ones he will compete in, there’s a no guarantee (like there used to be) that he’s on TV for the weekend.
3) When Rahm won the masters last year it was the most watched Sunday in 5 years… more even than 2019. I wonder who won it that year.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 2:43 pm to ell_13
That’s fair. I can be persuaded even Tiger isn’t worth the guaranteed money from a tour perspective
Kinda just reiterates my point even more though.
Kinda just reiterates my point even more though.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:54 pm to lsupride87
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Besides Tiger, people don’t watch because of an individual. They just aren’t needle movers
Yeah shitty golf coverage has a lot to do with this.
There’s Augusta, and there’s everything else. PGA events just can’t get out of their own way.
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