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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:18 pm to
That's insane. Maybe I can return my Switch tonight?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:20 pm to
i'm color blind and i'm wearing my glasses that help and I can detect a difference, but I just don't know what it is.

for me, the difference is immaterial whatever it is
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:22 pm to
I thought you had a WiiU or whatever?

Lmfao I thought it was called the Shift, shows my interest in that thing.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 3:24 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:41 pm to
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thought you had a WiiU or whatever? 

Lmfao I thought it was called the 

Traded it in for GameStop points in prep for the new switch when it was announced. But ended up buying mine at WalMart. So the GameStop points turned into a waste of time.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:43 pm to
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:47 pm to
I still need a PS4 Pro. Might just wait it out. Besides the Zero Dawn there is nothing of interest.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 4:00 pm to
Horizon is awesome so far (and the best looking console game to date 4K HDR or not), they've been bringing it with games lately but most aren't my taste such as Nioh and the upcoming Nier game.

I did grab Rise of the Tomb Raider on sale, didn't know it had a Pro version so I'll get to that after Horizon and I beat Dishonored 2 on it the other day finally (what a disappointment).

Oh and I'll grab the yearly MLB The Show later this month as a big MLB fan.



My poor Xbone S though, I watch a 4K bluray on it maybe once or twice a month and the rest of the time it collects dust and is useless to me. But that's what I got it for so no complaints, any gaming was just a bonus.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 5:02 pm to
I am a little disappointed in reading some of these gaming performance reviews of Ryzen.

I do more than just gaming on my PC, but gaming is still a big part of what I do in my spare time.

I think I'm gonna wait till Skylake E arrives before I decide if I want to build with Ryzen or not.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 5:27 pm to
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I am a little disappointed in reading some of these gaming performance reviews of Ryzen. 


Yeah it's a wash. Price/Performance is incredible for multi threaded applications but outside of that it is meh. Not a knock on AMD. They knocked it out the fckking park but CPUs in general are just meh.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 5:41 pm to
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I am a little disappointed in reading some of these gaming performance reviews of Ryzen.



Some are good some are bad, there are a lot of inconsistencies out there early on. Best to wait a few weeks in general, even Broadwell had issues early on, it's normal.

Overall it's a very good well rounded 8 core CPU, especially the 1700 for the price. For some reason in benchmarks in games the 1700 is performing the best OC'd at 3.9GHz, and with SMT disabled. SMT is where games are suffering, and something that updates will take care of like early Hyperthreading days.

I never really wanted the 8 core, so I'm fine with waiting until Q2 for the 6 core offerings.

Overall I wanted it to compete across the board with the 6900K, and it does, very well.

Also depends on the games, so many sites test old arse games and there is where you start to get a lot of differences, more cores for gaming is something that is very new and still has a long ways to go before even 6 cores are properly utilized in gaming, so if you look at a new title such as Battlefield 1, a very CPU heavy game but also very well optimized, the 1800X is actually better than a 5GHz OC 7700K WITH much slower RAM and we all know how important RAM speed is now.




and then you have gigantic discrepancies like this:





Appears most of the issues lie with motherboard early BIOS versions. Again, just wait a few weeks or a month for more proper and legit benchmarks. There will be large improvements.


ETA: finally found the 1700 OC results I was talking about against a 5GHz OC 7700K. This is more on par with where all the results will be following some BIOS and software updates.

This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 5:59 pm to
Great time for ppl recieving tax returns and tech hobby..

Ryzen
1080 Ti
Switch (tons of other Nintendo shtt)

Exciting week and weekend!
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 6:22 pm to
Oh trust me I will be paying very close attention to the benchmarks in the next month or so as some of the early issues get ironed out.

Still 8 cores for 300-500 is insanely good value.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 6:29 pm to
The 1700 for $329 and 8 cores 16 threads with the performance it offers both in newer games (going forward in the future as well) and workstations is an absolute steal.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 6:30 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 7:43 pm to


What a dumb graph.. Shadowplay on graph... Well yeah, no doubt the chips with moar cores will produce higher frames. They have more resources to encode when running Shadowplay.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 7:50 pm to
Makes about as much sense as all the people comparing 4 cores to 8 cores in general.

Especially the old arse games from 5 years ago they still test.


This is where it's at that though for the realistic and solid gaming performance from the lowest end R7



Once a few more of the kinks are worked out with updates this is far more indicative of the very very good gaming performance Ryzen offers in addition to the ridiculous application tasks performance on par and above a 6900K. This is what makes it a no brainer at $329 for the 1700 or the $399 for the 1700X.

You should only get the 1800X if you are strictly building a workstation, in which case it is unmatched at the moment.

More importantly, with how insanely well it handles tasks related to applications and workstations, Naples is looking to be very strong on the server side and that is where AMD will make its bank. And then I sell my stock at about $20-$25/share and buy me a boat!
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 7:56 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:07 pm to
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Makes about as much sense as all the people comparing 4 cores to 8 cores in general

The 8320/50 is awesome at encoding. In some situations it would beat out my 4930K when I would encode for streaming in 2013.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:11 pm to
For sure, just sucked major balls elsewhere.

CPU based x264 encoding for streams versus so many streamers that buy and setup a 2nd PC just for their stream to avoid GPU based encoding.

If I was a heavy streamer I'd be all over a 1700(X) already.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/2/17 at 8:29 pm to
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For sure, just sucked major balls elsewhere.

Yes but really wasnt too terrible. Just benched like shtt because of how the instruction set wasn't being optimized in bench PCMark and Cinebench like Intels.
Posted by FourThinInches
Dallas
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 7:03 pm to
Thanks for write up Ultimatehog.

I'm seriously debating getting a 1700x for my new computer build. Plan on gaming and using it to do some AutoCAD, Microstation to start a civil design business in near future. Going to wait a few weeks and see where dust settles, but do you think 8 core is too much or should I go with 4 core 7700k???

Here's my current build, already have everything but CPU, motherboard, video card and monitor: Optimo Build
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 7:06 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 7:18 pm to
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Plan on gaming and using it to do some AutoCAD, Microstation to start a civil design business in near future.
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getting a 1700x

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