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Posted on 8/21/16 at 9:54 pm to Prometheus
Posted on 8/21/16 at 11:04 pm to JombieZombie
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Possible good news. After 4, Bethesda really needs to let Obsidian maintain the franchise.
We can only hope so. But not sure how good of terms those two are on after New Vegas.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 1:54 am to auyushu
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We can only hope so. But not sure how good of terms those two are on after New Vegas.
After they imploded Human Head, Beth Soft let Obsidian work on Prey 2 for a couple of months before completely mothballing the project. Obsidian wasn't allowed access to everything HH had, so the project was doomed from the start.
Regardless, this was after the NV metacritic bonus event, so it's not like they cut ties completely. I don't think Obsidian has the staff right now. They've got the tank game, Tyranny, Pillars 2, Pathfinder card game, and an unannounced 3D game early in production (some think it's Vampire: The Masquerade).
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:53 am to TheBuescherMan
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Regardless, this was after the NV metacritic bonus event, so it's not like they cut ties completely. I don't think Obsidian has the staff right now.
Gotcha, didn't know they had worked with each other again after the bonus issue with New Vegas. Like you said though, they likely don't have the time with their full plate after the success/boost they got from Pillars.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 11:57 am to JombieZombie
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Possible good news. After 4, Bethesda really needs to let Obsidian maintain the franchise.
Hipster gamer?
I mean, seriously, there was nothing wrong with 4. It's a great game and it made Bethesda a metric ton of cash.
Was New Vegas a better game than 3? Sure.
Was New Vegas an upgrade in graphics and such from 3? No. It was an upgrade in story, which in turn is easier when you're not building the 3D world from scratch.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 11:58 am to sicboy
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They flat out said the next elder scrolls is a long ways out.
Probably because of ESO.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:00 pm to skrayper
Honestly, I'm more inclined to hope that the romance options expand a bit more. They got a lot better in 4, but they're still well below BioWare in that category.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:10 pm to skrayper
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I'm more inclined to hope that the romance options expand a bit more.
I just don't feel this is necessary in a Fallout game. Kind of kills the "Lone Wanderer" vibe.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:31 pm to sicboy
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I just don't feel this is necessary in a Fallout game. Kind of kills the "Lone Wanderer" vibe.
this
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:32 pm to sicboy
A lone wanderer needs a piece of arse every now and then.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 12:47 pm to CocoLoco
sure, he should still be able to get laid, but i dont need family and dating mechanics and kids and shite. i cant believe people like that kind of shite in a game 
Posted on 8/22/16 at 1:12 pm to skrayper
I'm sorry, but no. I've posted this before on why I wasn't a great fan of Fallout 4 and it's not because I'm a hipster.
Realizing that none of the quests have any effect on the story.
Most dialogue options railroad you to the same conclusion.
No skills.
How many times did you find really interesting characters only to have very little interaction with them? Tons.
You also aren't your character, you're just along for the ride.
Every problem is solved with killing, or leading to killing.
No karma.
The DLC is among the worst ever released by a major publisher.
I’ve found a settlement that needs our help. I’ve marked the location on your map. MANY MORE MINUTEMEN QUESTS PRESTON?!
The factions were all garbage with no substance.
The UI is fricking awful.
I want to be able to play as a character with an INT of 1 and experience this again: LINK
There are more unique quests in New Vegas than FO3 and 4 combined.
Narrative choices come down to basic notifications, wherein you simply decide which faction(guild) wins. There's no actual faction/reputation system to speak of here.
It's a damn good game, but it's not a great RPG.
Realizing that none of the quests have any effect on the story.
Most dialogue options railroad you to the same conclusion.
No skills.
How many times did you find really interesting characters only to have very little interaction with them? Tons.
You also aren't your character, you're just along for the ride.
Every problem is solved with killing, or leading to killing.
No karma.
The DLC is among the worst ever released by a major publisher.
I’ve found a settlement that needs our help. I’ve marked the location on your map. MANY MORE MINUTEMEN QUESTS PRESTON?!
The factions were all garbage with no substance.
The UI is fricking awful.
I want to be able to play as a character with an INT of 1 and experience this again: LINK
There are more unique quests in New Vegas than FO3 and 4 combined.
Narrative choices come down to basic notifications, wherein you simply decide which faction(guild) wins. There's no actual faction/reputation system to speak of here.
It's a damn good game, but it's not a great RPG.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 1:13 pm to Carson123987
Obsidian should stay away from anything Bethesda related, they have enough quality projects going on already.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 1:40 pm to Carson123987
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sure, he should still be able to get laid, but i dont need family and dating mechanics and kids and shite. i cant believe people like that kind of shite in a game
I'm not talking about kids and such (jeez); I mean here you are, alone and removed from everyone you've ever known. Immersion, to me, includes establishing the bonds that have been removed from you.
This ain't Call of Duty. It's called an RPG for a reason, and that reason isn't because of levels.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 1:49 pm to HeavyCore
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I'm sorry, but no. I've posted this before on why I wasn't a great fan of Fallout 4 and it's not because I'm a hipster.
Realizing that none of the quests have any effect on the story.
Most dialogue options railroad you to the same conclusion.
No skills.
How many times did you find really interesting characters only to have very little interaction with them? Tons.
You also aren't your character, you're just along for the ride.
Every problem is solved with killing, or leading to killing.
No karma.
The DLC is among the worst ever released by a major publisher.
I’ve found a settlement that needs our help. I’ve marked the location on your map. MANY MORE MINUTEMEN QUESTS PRESTON?!
The factions were all garbage with no substance.
The UI is fricking awful.
I want to be able to play as a character with an INT of 1 and experience this again: LINK
There are more unique quests in New Vegas than FO3 and 4 combined.
Narrative choices come down to basic notifications, wherein you simply decide which faction(guild) wins. There's no actual faction/reputation system to speak of here.
It's a damn good game, but it's not a great RPG.
I never said it was a better game.
I said they had the benefit of not having to do a lot of the core (the engine was built, the graphics model was built, etc). It becomes a lot easier to focus on gameplay mechanics when a lot of dev time was done for you 2 years prior.
Sure, Fallout 4 left plenty to be desired as well - and I haven't grabbed any DLC for it, so I have no opinion on those subjects.
F4 at least had factions where you could justify being morally correct for any of them (well, at least two of them); however, if memory serves, of the two major factions in NV one was "super duper evil" and therefor was a no brainer to go against.
We're not talking Knights of the Old Republic here.
NV was a 2 year project to improve upon someone else's game. Just like a crap ton of mods on top of Skyrim make it a better game, they don't exist without the original game.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:12 pm to skrayper
Obsidian only had a year to make New Vegas. They embarrassed Bethesda with it, by having only a year to do it and absolutely destroyed what Bethesda took years to do with Fo3 by making a far superior product.
Bethesda also used a modified version of the game engine, only VATS was added, from the Oblivion engine to produce Fallout 3. So Bethesda still didn't really use much time developing Fo3. They've had the Gamebryo Engine since Morrowind.
They re-did most of the gameplay mechanics from Fo3 by:
adding the Hardcore Mode
changing up the Perk system
NV has not just a simple damage mechanic but how well a gun will go through armor plus the damage it does.
NV has reputation as well as karma.
New Vegas also had 4 major factions: Caesar's Legion · Mr. House · New California Republic · Yes Man
5 minor factions: Boomers · Enclave remnants · Followers of the Apocalypse · Great Khans · Mojave Brotherhood of Steel
And 3 Strip factions: White Glove - Chairmen - Omerta
Fallout 4 completely stripped the game of most thing from the Fo3 and NV and made a large shooting paradise, but it's hardly a good Fallout game.
Bethesda also used a modified version of the game engine, only VATS was added, from the Oblivion engine to produce Fallout 3. So Bethesda still didn't really use much time developing Fo3. They've had the Gamebryo Engine since Morrowind.
They re-did most of the gameplay mechanics from Fo3 by:
adding the Hardcore Mode
changing up the Perk system
NV has not just a simple damage mechanic but how well a gun will go through armor plus the damage it does.
NV has reputation as well as karma.
New Vegas also had 4 major factions: Caesar's Legion · Mr. House · New California Republic · Yes Man
5 minor factions: Boomers · Enclave remnants · Followers of the Apocalypse · Great Khans · Mojave Brotherhood of Steel
And 3 Strip factions: White Glove - Chairmen - Omerta
Fallout 4 completely stripped the game of most thing from the Fo3 and NV and made a large shooting paradise, but it's hardly a good Fallout game.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 4:02 pm to HeavyCore
I'm not trying to argue that NV was some kind of crapfest. I'm simply stating that of course it was a better game, because they never had to do it from scratch.
The graphics are the key point - if you look at FO3 vs NV from a graphics perspective, there's almost no change.
Trust me, I still prefer playing NV over FO3 if I'm doing a replay. It's an incredible game. I just get tired of everyone bad mouthing the other games as if Bethesda dropped trouser and proceeded to take a great, big dump on everyone. They've made some great games, that are a lot of fun to play. If a person has fun playing something, let them. If you don't, then play something else.
The graphics are the key point - if you look at FO3 vs NV from a graphics perspective, there's almost no change.
Trust me, I still prefer playing NV over FO3 if I'm doing a replay. It's an incredible game. I just get tired of everyone bad mouthing the other games as if Bethesda dropped trouser and proceeded to take a great, big dump on everyone. They've made some great games, that are a lot of fun to play. If a person has fun playing something, let them. If you don't, then play something else.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 4:07 pm to skrayper
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Hipster gamer?
What the frick does that even mean?
Posted on 8/22/16 at 5:04 pm to tconle2
The major problem I see with large scale games set in New Orleans is the lack of topography and biomes. That might be only me, though. I'm an explorer in games like that. I couldn't stand GTA 4 for that very reason.
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