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Epic v Google: Epic Wins Jury Trial
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:06 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:06 am
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If this ruling holds, it would lead to Epic and Microsoft both starting their own app stores.
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This afternoon, a jury handed Epic Games a win in its antitrust lawsuit against Google. For three years, the game publisher has sued both Apple and Google over the companies’ alleged anticompetitive practices.
While Epic largely lost its antitrust case against Apple, the Fortnite and Rocket League publisher prevailed over Google. There are key distinctions between the cases against Apple and Google. First, a judge ruled in the Apple case compared to a jury in Google’s. Also unlike Apple, Google needed to contract with third-party phone manufacturers to control their ecosystem.
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U.S. District Court judge James Donato in San Francisco still needs to rule on the potential outcome and address any appeals. Notably, Epic’s complaint said the company “does not seek monetary damages for the injuries it has suffered. Instead, Epic seeks injunctive relief that would make good on Google’s broken promises.”
If this ruling holds, it would lead to Epic and Microsoft both starting their own app stores.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 12:14 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:30 am to imjustafatkid
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While Epic largely lost its antitrust case against Apple
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:06 am to finchmeister08
Do you have a different opinion of Epic v Apple? I use Android phones so didn't really follow that case. The article seems to describe the result accurately though from what I can tell.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:51 am to imjustafatkid
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Epic and Microsoft both starting their own app stores.
Do these not already exist?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:10 am to HailToTheChiz
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Do these not already exist?
probably, but they don't have anywhere to put them in terms of mobile devices.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:27 pm to finchmeister08
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probably, but they don't have anywhere to put them in terms of mobile devices
Yeah, Microsoft already lost the mobile device battle due to not being able to get developers to make apps for it. Too bad. It was a superior mobile platform. Apple caught up to it a couple of years ago.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:05 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Do these not already exist?
Maybe? I believe the argument is that the anticompetitive practices prevented these from being successful.
I'm not sure of all of the details here, but I think the gist of this case (and the Apple case) was that Google was engaging in anti-competitive practices by charging 30% fees to app developers and then not allowing them to use their own stores. People I believe on antitrust matters say the difference between the Google and Apple cases was that Apple owns every part of the transaction involved in the Apple store (phone, OS, Apple store, etc), while Google is doing this through third parties. I don't really know why or how that makes a difference, but it could also be because the Apple case went straight before a judge and the Google case went to jury trial.
I'm sure it's far more complicated than that, but I don't know literally anything about app stores or making apps so a lot of the more detailed language makes no sense to me.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:33 pm to imjustafatkid
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the difference between the Google and Apple cases was that Apple owns every part of the transaction involved in the Apple store (phone, OS, Apple store, etc), while Google is doing this through third parties. I don't really know why or how that makes a difference
why would a company like apple, a company that makes it's own products, allow their competitors on their own platform? and why would a judge force them to allow it?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:15 pm to finchmeister08
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why would a company like apple, a company that makes it's own products, allow their competitors on their own platform? and why would a judge force them to allow it?
Don't know. Why did judges break up Microsoft and require them to stop bundling MS Office with Windows, which only really resulted in the consumers having to pay more for Office?
Judges do weird stuff sometimes.
ETA: The arguments in the Google and Apple cases are exactly the same. If Google has a monopoly, Apple has a much worse one.
The irony here is these sorts of options will only make Android phones even more appealing than they already are. This could be a case that Apple eventually regrets "winning."
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:09 am to finchmeister08
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why would a company like apple, a company that makes it's own products, allow their competitors on their own platform? and why would a judge force them to allow it?
Ask Microsoft about when Microsoft was accused of violating antitrust laws by bundling its software with its operating system, thus giving it an unfair edge over the competition. Netscape was at the center of the case.
Microsoft lost the case,
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