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re: Thoughts on Stefon Diggs
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:08 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:08 pm to GynoSandberg
Cordarrelle Patterson isn't a fair comparison, in my opinion.
By all accounts, Stefon Diggs is a superb route runner and has shown flashes of that ability in his first two games.
In stark contrast, the biggest criticism Patterson is up against is his route-running ability, or lack thereof. Mike Zimmer had no problem calling him out last season in regard to that, but did acknowledge he was improving earlier in the spring spring.
Within that same breadth, Mike Wallace is also a below-average route runner and has admitted as much, last season after becoming a Viking, when he said he is more accustomed to going straight down the field, which is why he felt he might fit in more with Minnesota -- still has yet to transpire.
By all accounts, Stefon Diggs is a superb route runner and has shown flashes of that ability in his first two games.
In stark contrast, the biggest criticism Patterson is up against is his route-running ability, or lack thereof. Mike Zimmer had no problem calling him out last season in regard to that, but did acknowledge he was improving earlier in the spring spring.
Within that same breadth, Mike Wallace is also a below-average route runner and has admitted as much, last season after becoming a Viking, when he said he is more accustomed to going straight down the field, which is why he felt he might fit in more with Minnesota -- still has yet to transpire.
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:10 pm to MrWiseGuy
Yap
Point was it'll take a little more than stars and a good game to sell me on a vike WR
mike florio is already saying min has the best WR trio in the league
Point was it'll take a little more than stars and a good game to sell me on a vike WR
mike florio is already saying min has the best WR trio in the league
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:12 pm to MrWiseGuy
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My hesitation is what happens when Johnson returns. With him out, Diggs has been great.
I think this hesitation should be more geared to Charles Johnson.
Even while healthy, Johnson did not see many targets in his three games this season.
With Stefon Diggs displaying his ability to get open, both out wide and in the slot, it is no guarantee that his production takes a significant dip after eating up 19 targets in two games.
I guess we'll see.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 4:08 pm to GynoSandberg
Diggs is the best WR in Minnesota. He was a a stud in preseason and gets more separation than anyone else on the team.
I think he is for real. I don't feel that way about anyone else there. I went into the season only wanting Peterson. No interest in Wallace, Charles Johnson, Rudolph, etc. Diggs is gonna be productive.
I think he is for real. I don't feel that way about anyone else there. I went into the season only wanting Peterson. No interest in Wallace, Charles Johnson, Rudolph, etc. Diggs is gonna be productive.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 1:42 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I have him now. My concern is the conservative offense and QB in Minnesota.
Is it possible to put up big numbers every week in that run first offense?
Is it possible to put up big numbers every week in that run first offense?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 1:48 pm to Biggereztiger
I think he could easily post WR2 numbers if all goes well. He is becoming the first read more and more. He always seems open.
Diggs eats early and often. He had 4/81 in under a quarter on Sunday.
Diggs eats early and often. He had 4/81 in under a quarter on Sunday.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 1:57 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Would you rather Rishard Matthews or Diggs? PPR
Reason I ask, Matthews posting catches, yards, TDs pretty consistently. Seems he's a bench rider and never talked about. Better QB and offense
Diggs has a game and now he's starter worthy over top 10 WRs. Is this a case of falling in love with the hottest freshest guys?
Thoughts
Reason I ask, Matthews posting catches, yards, TDs pretty consistently. Seems he's a bench rider and never talked about. Better QB and offense
Diggs has a game and now he's starter worthy over top 10 WRs. Is this a case of falling in love with the hottest freshest guys?
Thoughts
Posted on 10/21/15 at 2:13 pm to GynoSandberg
I think it's a case of one guy fighting his way up the depth chart (Diggs) when the other guy is in a stable role (Matthews). But look at the games. Diggs just passes the eye test. He runs precise routes, plays fast and decisively. It's nothing flukey like catching some long bombs on a couple of targets. When coaching decides to give him the option on routes, he's going to be even better.
Both are good plays and should be in lineups. However, if we're talking about season-long leagues, Matthews shouldn't even be available. Diggs was until this past game.
Both are good plays and should be in lineups. However, if we're talking about season-long leagues, Matthews shouldn't even be available. Diggs was until this past game.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/21/15 at 2:46 pm to Sammobile
Diggs is this years OBJ
Posted on 10/21/15 at 2:53 pm to GynoSandberg
I think it is pretty close. I am starting both in my 14 man PPR.
I will give a slight edge to Diggs as homer, but I also feel like there are a ton of mouths to feed in Miami (you could say the same about Minnesota). If I watched the Dolphins more, then I could give you a better answer. All I know is Diggs is the best WR in Miami. I assumed Jarvis Landry would be the best in Miami, but idk.
I agree that Rishard is underrated. He has been very good most weeks.
I will give a slight edge to Diggs as homer, but I also feel like there are a ton of mouths to feed in Miami (you could say the same about Minnesota). If I watched the Dolphins more, then I could give you a better answer. All I know is Diggs is the best WR in Miami. I assumed Jarvis Landry would be the best in Miami, but idk.
I agree that Rishard is underrated. He has been very good most weeks.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 2:58 pm to Nonetheless
quote:
Diggs is this years OBJ
no the keenan allen comparison earlier is fair.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 3:14 pm to BilJ
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the keenan allen comparison earlier is fair.
Im going Doug Baldwin
Can work inside and outside with some big play potential catching and running
On a team that doesnt pass much (MIN last in NFL in pass attempts). Also in the bottom 3 in scoring in NFL
Will have good games and bad games and will be hard to trust week to week depending on where he's slotted in your lineup
Posted on 10/21/15 at 3:35 pm to GynoSandberg
For a little perspective, Keenan Allen in 2013:
71/1046/8 on 104 targets. He had 0, 3, and 1 targets in weeks 1-3. In his final 12 games, he posted 68/1016/8 on 100 targets.
Per game, that is 5.6/84.6/.6 (all of the .6 are repeating). He basically became an 18 ppg PPR player over the final 12 games.
I think Diggs could be a 15 ppg PPR in his final 11 games. He averaged 17.2 in his first two games.
71/1046/8 on 104 targets. He had 0, 3, and 1 targets in weeks 1-3. In his final 12 games, he posted 68/1016/8 on 100 targets.
Per game, that is 5.6/84.6/.6 (all of the .6 are repeating). He basically became an 18 ppg PPR player over the final 12 games.
I think Diggs could be a 15 ppg PPR in his final 11 games. He averaged 17.2 in his first two games.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 3:43 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
15 ppg wouldve been the 13th best for a WR last season
you start talking 18 ppg and youre talking top 5 WR last season
if he can be top 30 in that offense then you are happy and call it a win
you start talking 18 ppg and youre talking top 5 WR last season
if he can be top 30 in that offense then you are happy and call it a win
Posted on 10/21/15 at 3:48 pm to GynoSandberg
Two pages and no one mentions Charles Johnson has been inactive the last 2 weeks?
Are we just thinking Diggs has replaced him now that CJ is back?
Are we just thinking Diggs has replaced him now that CJ is back?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 3:53 pm to Toula
2nd post gent
they really need both, so i dont think diggs goes to the bench. but their are already minimal pass attempts, i just wonder what that does to targets
they really need both, so i dont think diggs goes to the bench. but their are already minimal pass attempts, i just wonder what that does to targets
Posted on 10/21/15 at 3:59 pm to GynoSandberg
Ah. Well said.
I haven't watched any Vikings since opening night. I'll usually trust my boy VKC's insight on them.
Diggs just seems like a guy that will burn ya.
I haven't watched any Vikings since opening night. I'll usually trust my boy VKC's insight on them.
Diggs just seems like a guy that will burn ya.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:16 pm to Toula
Don't doubt purple Jesus.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:20 pm to Toula
quote:
Two pages and no one mentions Charles Johnson has been inactive the last 2 weeks? Are we just thinking Diggs has replaced him now that CJ is back?
Yeah, Diggs is better.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 4:25 pm to Toula
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Two pages and no one mentions Charles Johnson has been inactive the last 2 weeks?
I mentioned him, albeit very briefly, on the first page.
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