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Is this a good trade?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:06 am
Being offered Russell Wilson and Latavius Murray for Eli and Abdullah.
I don't like having Raiders so I'll probably decline.
I don't like having Raiders so I'll probably decline.
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Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:09 am to BOSCEAUX
No...don't accept. Eli has the better WR corps and in a pass happy division
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:10 am to BOSCEAUX
I would accept in a second.
Better QB and better RB. What the frick is there to think about?
Better QB and better RB. What the frick is there to think about?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:12 am to BOSCEAUX
id take Wilson/Murray side
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:12 am to BOSCEAUX
No matter the scoring or what your team is you win. Accept and once it is final tell the guy what an idiot he is.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:14 am to BOSCEAUX
You get the two best players in that trade. Pull the trigger
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:16 am to BuckeyesAndBulldogs
Trigger pulled.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:19 am to LSUfan4444
quote:
No...don't accept. Eli has the better WR corps and in a pass happy division
If serious, stop giving advice.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:27 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:
Trigger pulled.
Glad you accepted. You got the two best players in that trade.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 10:58 am to bbeck
I realize my opinion isn't going to the most popular but in regards to these two players I don't agree with alot of the projections. I'm certainly biased here because Wilson and Murray are probably two of the most overrated and overvalued players on my draft board.
First off, I love Abdullah for a few reasons...I believe Joe Lombardi will use him much like he used Darren Sproles in New Orleans when he went off. I think he has a role in the offense that doesn't necessarily take away from Bell's role (I think they compliment each other) but if he does, ROY potential.
I think Murray will be in more of a position battle with Dyer and fall more in the camp with this train of though:
Murray missed his rookie season with an ankle injury, then surprised the Raiders by averaging 5.2 yards on 82 carries last year, topping 85 yards from scrimmage against the Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, and Broncos. However, 90 of those rushing yards came on one run against Kansas City; take that one play out and Murray's average carry drops to 4.1. Darren McFadden's departure makes Murray the unquestioned top runner in Oakland, but this is still a developing, unproven player on a developing, unproven team, and he shouldn't be trusted to reliably produce.
Eli faces the 24, 26 and 31st ranked pass defense from a year ago twice this season. Additionally, he threw for about 1,000 more yards and 10 more TDs (his INTs is where he gets hurt).
In 2015 Eli is projected to have (almost unanimously) a top ten easiest schedule for QBs.
When considering the receiving options last year Randle and ODB combined for over 2200 yards and 15 TDs and they gain Victor Cruz for 2015. Baldwin, Kearse and Graham combined for right about the same and had less TDs.
No, not necessarily conventional wisdom but just happens to be four players here; two of which I think are being undervalued and two of which I think are being overvalued.
First off, I love Abdullah for a few reasons...I believe Joe Lombardi will use him much like he used Darren Sproles in New Orleans when he went off. I think he has a role in the offense that doesn't necessarily take away from Bell's role (I think they compliment each other) but if he does, ROY potential.
I think Murray will be in more of a position battle with Dyer and fall more in the camp with this train of though:
Murray missed his rookie season with an ankle injury, then surprised the Raiders by averaging 5.2 yards on 82 carries last year, topping 85 yards from scrimmage against the Chiefs, Bills, 49ers, and Broncos. However, 90 of those rushing yards came on one run against Kansas City; take that one play out and Murray's average carry drops to 4.1. Darren McFadden's departure makes Murray the unquestioned top runner in Oakland, but this is still a developing, unproven player on a developing, unproven team, and he shouldn't be trusted to reliably produce.
Eli faces the 24, 26 and 31st ranked pass defense from a year ago twice this season. Additionally, he threw for about 1,000 more yards and 10 more TDs (his INTs is where he gets hurt).
In 2015 Eli is projected to have (almost unanimously) a top ten easiest schedule for QBs.
When considering the receiving options last year Randle and ODB combined for over 2200 yards and 15 TDs and they gain Victor Cruz for 2015. Baldwin, Kearse and Graham combined for right about the same and had less TDs.
No, not necessarily conventional wisdom but just happens to be four players here; two of which I think are being undervalued and two of which I think are being overvalued.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:03 am to LSUfan4444
Wilson's value comes in his rushing. He outscored Eli last year.
as for murray vs abdullah, Murray surefire RB1. Give me the guy that is assured of touches.
Abdullah being Sproles is going to be tough, considering Bell and Theo Riddick are both great pass catchers too. Murray has no competition, and Abdullah has a lot going against him, in terms of touches
as for murray vs abdullah, Murray surefire RB1. Give me the guy that is assured of touches.
Abdullah being Sproles is going to be tough, considering Bell and Theo Riddick are both great pass catchers too. Murray has no competition, and Abdullah has a lot going against him, in terms of touches
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:03 am to BOSCEAUX
Snap call. Wilson is better than Eli and Murray could be a breakout star. One thing is for certain he is the absolute guy in Oakland. Abdullah- who really knows?
Posted on 9/1/15 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
I realize that is the counter argument. But I think the addition of Graham benefits Lynch and possibly hurts his and Wilson's stat line. Wilson was almost option number two, moving him out of the pocket, etc when then they didn't go to Lynch but now I think they'll use Graham as option number two (at least scheme wise) and keep Wilson more in the pocket. (just my personal feeling).
As for the Murray/Abdullah debate, I agree Murray is the guy right now but he is the guy right now on a bad team that was 31st in scoring at 15.8 pts per game. They are almost allergic to the end zone.
I admit it, I am tainted. I just can't buy the Murray hype. I think Abdullah has a role (a role Lombardi likes) in Detroit whether he displaces Bell or not whereas Murray is a guy who is interchangeable (Helu, Dyer).
Not saying I'm right you're wrong, just saying why I'm lean the way I do.
As for the Murray/Abdullah debate, I agree Murray is the guy right now but he is the guy right now on a bad team that was 31st in scoring at 15.8 pts per game. They are almost allergic to the end zone.
I admit it, I am tainted. I just can't buy the Murray hype. I think Abdullah has a role (a role Lombardi likes) in Detroit whether he displaces Bell or not whereas Murray is a guy who is interchangeable (Helu, Dyer).
Not saying I'm right you're wrong, just saying why I'm lean the way I do.
This post was edited on 9/1/15 at 11:13 am
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