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Is Alshon worth a look?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:19 pm
New team with more offensive weapons. Less focus on Alshon but more mouths to feed.
Then there is the history of nagging injuries.
Where are you putting Alshon on your draft boards or are you keeping him off after being burned before?
Then there is the history of nagging injuries.
Where are you putting Alshon on your draft boards or are you keeping him off after being burned before?
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 11:19 pm
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Posted on 5/20/17 at 11:01 pm to Tiger at Law
Dude is easily the best red zone target on the team. Philly is doing a lot of nice things and he is on a show me deal. If he stays healthy he should be a low end WR1 or high 2 at worst. Not quite sure what his current ADP is and there would be a point where I wouldn't want to pick him so I will have to wait to see how high he goes. As the 4th player you pick in a 12 man would be unreal value but I'm not getting my hopes up yet. There were only 3 games last year that Wentz threw under 30 times so the volume is there. The efficiency may not be but it also may not be needed considering this is fantasy football though. I doubt they could key on him with Ertz, Matthews, and hopefully a rejuvenated Torrey Smith putting pressure on the safeties.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:33 am to Tiger at Law
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Where are you putting Alshon on your draft boards
if there is a huge negative narrative preseason shift.. the better I think. Don't always go with the crowd.
course its always 50/50
but those undervalued guys are big time $.
doesn't even have to be Alshon in this case.. just remember that in general. Oddly enough that lesson got beat into my head playing Daily Fantasy.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:56 pm to Tiger at Law
He's been going consistently in the third round of my MFL10s.
No chance I touch him at that price. Lots of competition for targets with Smith, Matthews, Ertz. Plus Wentz is mediocre at this point and their offense is not a downfield passing attack. Defense should be good, which will also limit volume.
No chance I touch him at that price. Lots of competition for targets with Smith, Matthews, Ertz. Plus Wentz is mediocre at this point and their offense is not a downfield passing attack. Defense should be good, which will also limit volume.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:03 pm to DallasTiger45
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Smith, Matthews, Ertz.
none of which are in Alshon's league
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and their offense is not a downfield passing attack.
which has what to do with Alshon? That's not his game.
The only question mark with him is his health and yeah its a big question mark. When he's on the field, he's a baller. I haven't started ranking guys but I feel confident he'll like be in my top 12-15
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:21 pm to BilJ
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I haven't started ranking guys but I feel confident he'll like be in my top 12-15
Not me. Dude has talent but I wouldn't touch him in the 1st 5 rounds. I have been burned by him a few times. I could live with myself if he does well on someone else's team. I just don't want to worry about him anymore.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:27 pm to BilJ
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which has what to do with Alshon? That's not his game.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:33 pm to GynoSandberg
what's confusing geeno?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:39 pm to PortCityTiger24
idk just googled a few random rankings, after your top 10 it gets pretty murky.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:50 pm to BilJ
what's his game if not down field
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:52 pm to BilJ
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none of which are in Alshon's league
They don't have to be in Alshon's league to get targets...They're better than a lot of other teams' complimentary pieces. He'll be the number one option, but I don't think he'll be force fed targets like he was at times in Chicago.
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which has what to do with Alshon? That's not his game.
Uhhhh it's not? 15.0 career yards per reception. Other WR in the same ballpark-
TY Hilton
Mike Evans
Michael Floyd
Mike Wallace
AJ Green
Jordy Nelson
That's not all he can do, but a big part of his game is intermediate and downfield routes. Wentz had bottom 5 YPA and YPC numbers last season, and Doug Pederson was heavily involved with Alex Smith and a Kansas City offense that is famous for being conservative through the air. Now maybe some of the issue with Wentz and Philly last year was because of the quality of WR he was throwing to downfield, but I think it's definitely a question mark and reason to be wary.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:24 pm to DallasTiger45
yeah I actually went and looked at that, it was higher than I thought so my bad there.
Still, I still think he'll see plenty of volume in that offense, the other guys are competing for the secondary targets. It's tough to judge much of what we saw last year because the WRs were shite and it was a rookie QB. I'd think he's going to lean on Alshon. Again, get outside of the top 10 WRs and its pretty murky, I'll back the talent.
here's a list I took just for copy and paste purposes
don't love the rankings here but needed a list....I can easily see alshon finishing inside the top 12-15 here.
Still, I still think he'll see plenty of volume in that offense, the other guys are competing for the secondary targets. It's tough to judge much of what we saw last year because the WRs were shite and it was a rookie QB. I'd think he's going to lean on Alshon. Again, get outside of the top 10 WRs and its pretty murky, I'll back the talent.
here's a list I took just for copy and paste purposes
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1. Antonio Brown, Steelers.
2. Julio Jones, Falcons.
3. Odell Beckham Jr., Giants.
4. Mike Evans, Buccaneers.
5. A.J. Green, Bengals.
6. Jordy Nelson, Packers.
7. T.Y. Hilton, Colts.
8. Dez Bryant, Cowboys.
9. Amari Cooper, Raiders.
10. Michael Thomas, Saints.
11. Brandin Cooks, Patriots.
12. Demaryius Thomas, Broncos.
13. Doug Baldwin, Seahawks.
14. DeAndre Hopkins, Texans.
15. Alshon Jeffery, Eagles.
16. Sammy Watkins, Bills.
17. Kelvin Benjamin, Panthers.
18. Tyreek Hill, Chiefs.
19. Allen Robinson, Jaguars.
20. Donte Moncrief, Colts.
don't love the rankings here but needed a list....I can easily see alshon finishing inside the top 12-15 here.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:42 pm to BilJ
I think Matthews and Ertz cater more to Wentz's short game style; though he may not be that short throw guy going forward.
Ive alwys like alshon, he will prob continue to be that WR that is the first of the WR2 types off the board
Ive alwys like alshon, he will prob continue to be that WR that is the first of the WR2 types off the board
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:44 pm to GynoSandberg
I mean we know wentz has the arm talent, giving the benefit of the doubt and attributing a lot of last year to him being pretty raw, so they kept the game plans in his comfort zone. Hell, I don't think most expected him to even be the day 1 starter.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:04 pm to BilJ
talking heads loved pumping up wentz, he wasnt overly impressive to me. in that offense and with those targets im just thinking alshon may be a maclin type
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:19 pm to GynoSandberg
They seemed to have a problem finishing drives last year. Blount and Jeffrey for the remedy. Pretty sure he only threw less than 30 times a handful of games too. I think the floor here is higher than expected barring injury.
ETA:
Philadelphia was 9th in red zone scoring attempts per game at 3.4, but were only able to score a TD 49% of those (24th)
Wentz tied for 6th in the NFL in red zone passing attempts but only ended up with 12 TDs in that range.
I like Wentz more than most and truly believe that throwing to Algholor and DBG added to the rookie flaws.
ETA:
Philadelphia was 9th in red zone scoring attempts per game at 3.4, but were only able to score a TD 49% of those (24th)
Wentz tied for 6th in the NFL in red zone passing attempts but only ended up with 12 TDs in that range.
I like Wentz more than most and truly believe that throwing to Algholor and DBG added to the rookie flaws.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:32 pm to DallasTiger45
Not sure if it is fair to blame the offense for Alex Smith. Same exact offense that saw Desean Jackson and Maclin do just fine down the field with the Eagles.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:54 pm to Gordon Hayward
Wentz was terrible passing downfield. He is the KEY to AJ being successful and needs to get better - plus AJ will likely draw Josh Norman and Jan Jenkins 4 games of the season. Gets PP7, Den D, SEA D three more games.
Lagarette Blount isn't swaying an offense good or bad. He was in a system that he could flourish in in NE. That backfield will be multi faceted
And Maclin and Desean Jackson are the exact reason you don't want AJ early - those guys played 11 seasons combined in PHI and together each produced only 1 season where they hit both 80+ catches and 1k yards. I mean, 80/1000 aren't big numbers to hit in today's NFL. Their inconsistent nature relegated then into WR2/flex material most seasons
People forget about Sproles too. Him, Matthews, Ertz alone will gobble half of wentz's targets on those short/intermediate routes
Without knowing wentz's progression, I'd venture to say AJ struggles to eclipse 80 balls. 6-7 TDs at around 1k yards
Lagarette Blount isn't swaying an offense good or bad. He was in a system that he could flourish in in NE. That backfield will be multi faceted
And Maclin and Desean Jackson are the exact reason you don't want AJ early - those guys played 11 seasons combined in PHI and together each produced only 1 season where they hit both 80+ catches and 1k yards. I mean, 80/1000 aren't big numbers to hit in today's NFL. Their inconsistent nature relegated then into WR2/flex material most seasons
People forget about Sproles too. Him, Matthews, Ertz alone will gobble half of wentz's targets on those short/intermediate routes
Without knowing wentz's progression, I'd venture to say AJ struggles to eclipse 80 balls. 6-7 TDs at around 1k yards
Posted on 5/22/17 at 11:56 pm to GynoSandberg
If he can get same yards and catches with 10 TDS I'm sure he'll be well worth where he goes. That schedule is most certainly brutal, but it may speak more on the fantasy ceiling of Wentz. I think he still makes those throws regardless and volume won't be an issue. I can definitely see where you're coming from though. I'm not saying Alshon is TO but I can't think of any receivers at that certain talent level with the body to win in traffic that have played in this offense. I wasn't trying to say DeSean or Maclin were fantasy studs, just that there is a vertical element to the offense being underutilized in KC big time so it's not a direct comparison. The addition of Mahomes speaks volumes on that.
I'm not saying Blount is a game changer but they were in the negative in that category last year. He's at least above league average and should definitely help in the red zone as well. Their line is every bit as good as New England's and that TD production can't dip that much IMO. Philly had plenty of opportunities inside the 5 yard line last year to run it in but didn't have the right personnel.
Definitely need to consider all sides come August/September sor I appreciate the idea bouncing.
I'm not saying Blount is a game changer but they were in the negative in that category last year. He's at least above league average and should definitely help in the red zone as well. Their line is every bit as good as New England's and that TD production can't dip that much IMO. Philly had plenty of opportunities inside the 5 yard line last year to run it in but didn't have the right personnel.
Definitely need to consider all sides come August/September sor I appreciate the idea bouncing.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:10 am to Gordon Hayward
Yea if you have faith in Wentz then I think Alshon optimism makes sense. Honestly if I'm going to gamble in the 3rd round I'd rather gamble with Watkins, who I think has top 5 WR upside if he stays healthy.
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