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What is the argument for the electoral college instead of a popular vote?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:39 am
I am not saying there isn't a good one, I just have never really had this conversation with anyone that has given me a good one.
If the electoral votes are weighted by population anyway, what's the point of making someone's red/blue vote not count in a state that leans heavily the other way every year?
If the electoral votes are weighted by population anyway, what's the point of making someone's red/blue vote not count in a state that leans heavily the other way every year?
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:40 am to TheCaterpillar
There isn't one. frick it. The republican form of government that we had in the beginning is dead anyway. Let's just expand the franchise to everyone.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:41 am to TheCaterpillar
You can win the EC count without winning popular vote. It's meant to give a voice to all states instead of just the few with the highest population centers.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:41 am to FooManChoo
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You can win the EC count without winning popular vote. It's meant to give a voice to all states instead of just the few with the highest population centers.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to TheCaterpillar
We're a republic
Not a democracy
/end thread
Not a democracy
/end thread
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to TheCaterpillar
Today there really isn't one. More tradition than anything at this point.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to TheCaterpillar
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What is the argument for the electoral college instead of a popular vote?
It allows "your" side (whichever side that is) the chance to steal an election you didn't win in the popular vote, which in today's idiocracy is considered a good thing.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to TheCaterpillar
It doesn't seem to work so well.
Demi have population centers like CA and NY locked up.
They have a built in advantage.
Demi have population centers like CA and NY locked up.
They have a built in advantage.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to FooManChoo
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You can win the EC count without winning popular vote. It's meant to give a voice to all states instead of just the few with the highest population centers.
this is your winner
would you want California & New York basically deciding every election?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to TheCaterpillar
STates with the most legally owned guns should get the most votes.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to BamaCoaster
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We're a republic
We were. We were a republic.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to FooManChoo
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It's meant to give a voice to all states instead of just the few with the highest population centers.
But those states with higher populations get more EC votes anyway.
Its not like it would be a big swing, right?
I guess I just feel like it isn't really fair to people in states that never vote outside of their red/blue ways.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:42 am to FooManChoo
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It's meant to give a voice to all states instead of just the few with the highest population centers.
semi fail on that though
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:43 am to HailToTheChiz
I can understand that angle. That being said, shouldn't the EC have to vote in the direction that the majority vote? Or be split depending on the percentages?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:44 am to TheCaterpillar
Because with population centers the way they are, if there was a +500k democrat base, republicans would never win an election and vice versa
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:44 am to TheCaterpillar
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If the electoral votes are weighted by population anyway, what's the point of making someone's red/blue vote not count in a state that leans heavily the other way every year?
As good a reason as any is that the population is still not perfectly homogenous. Regional preference should get some weight.
The EC was put into operation by the Framers because they didn't trust the common people to not screw it up.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:45 am to TheCaterpillar
I don't like it. What is the mechanism for reappropriating EVs as the population grows and shifts?
It would make more sense to allow one EV per congressional district with the elected congressperson acting as that district's elector - winner take all. The structure is already there for it and I think you would get better turnout because red voters in deep blue states would feel as their vote counted more(and vice versa) since it wouldn't be winner take all at the state level. Right now, we essentially have three cities (NYC, Chi, and LA)controlling about 40% of the EV needed to hit 270. This is the very thing the EC was supposed to prevent.
It would make more sense to allow one EV per congressional district with the elected congressperson acting as that district's elector - winner take all. The structure is already there for it and I think you would get better turnout because red voters in deep blue states would feel as their vote counted more(and vice versa) since it wouldn't be winner take all at the state level. Right now, we essentially have three cities (NYC, Chi, and LA)controlling about 40% of the EV needed to hit 270. This is the very thing the EC was supposed to prevent.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:45 am to TheCaterpillar
It's was designed to prevent candidates from only campaigning in the cities. With the Electoral college, they have to campaign to all states and populations, urban and rural.
It's actually a good system.
It's actually a good system.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:45 am to TheCaterpillar
It gives states more power.
That's a good thing IMO.
The smaller states benefit the most from the electoral college.
That's a good thing IMO.
The smaller states benefit the most from the electoral college.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:46 am to rt3
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this is your winner
would you want California & New York basically deciding every election?
Only 4 times has the popular vote not won the Election FWIW, and only once in modernity.
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