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re: Question for Dr's of the OT update in OP

Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:41 pm to
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:41 pm to
send the bill to your DOCTOR!
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
Member since Feb 2015
5093 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:43 pm to
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So I guess I should call a lawyer


nope, bad choice

and do everything by mail, no phone calls....you need to track everything. keep a folder. just for this faux pax.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4409 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:46 pm to
July 1 is when the new interns come in, and all the med students change rotations.

Never be in a teaching hospital on June 30 / July 1. Clusterf*ck doesn't even begin to describe it.
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7123 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

new interns come in, and all the med students change rotations


an intern or med student is not responsible for this. They would not be involved in wherever the error occured.

quote:

Never be in a teaching hospital on June 30 / July 1. Clusterf*ck doesn't even begin to describe it.


I agree 100% with this
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3487 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:52 pm to
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Dr's of the OT


Posted by MBclass83
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
9350 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 4:53 pm to
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retested the sample and got the same results


A hemolyzed sample, when repeated, will give the same high potassium.
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
Member since Feb 2015
5093 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:30 pm to
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The cretins are cloning and feeding. And I don't even own a TV


you ain't missin' much

they're sellin' lies and fear to the useful idiots like hotcakes, and no end it sight neither
Posted by pleading the fifth
Member since Feb 2006
3891 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:38 pm to
Damn that other patient has to be dead. I can't say I've seen many K levels above 7.5.
Posted by pleading the fifth
Member since Feb 2006
3891 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:42 pm to
Would the creatinine be that high on a hemolyzed specimen? I was thinking more acute or chronic renal failure in the absence of dialysis.
Posted by Volt
Ascension Island, S Atlantic Ocean
Member since Nov 2009
2960 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:43 pm to
The blood was hemolyzed. It destroys the blood cells, thus releasing intracellular potassium out into the bloodstream. This causes the elevated result.

I've seen this over 100 times in the ER

Every time, the patient is pissed off

They had a 70 y/o come in from his camp, down Bedico Creek at 10pm with his dog and no boat lights. Sheriff was waiting at the dock in him. He was PISSED!
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13652 posts
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:54 pm to
Should've gotten an EKG in the ED before giving you kayexelate. If there were no peaked T waves, you could've avoided a lot of trouble. A lot faster than checking labs.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 12:11 am to
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Should've gotten an EKG in the ED before giving you kayexelate. If there were no peaked T waves, you could've avoided a lot of trouble. A lot faster than checking labs.
um no, that'd be an awful idea. EKG isn't sensitive enough and you're treating a K of 7 (assuming it's real) regardless of the presence or absence of any other findings. If you want to keep a license that is.

ETA: I meant it's an awful idea to use the EKG to decide whether or not the K is real and whether or not to treat it. You obviously want to at least get the EKG to see what you're dealing with in case it does show anything.
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 12:26 am
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13652 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 12:25 am to
In an otherwise healthy guy, I would get an EKG before starting any treatment, because I would assume a lab error. Assuming its a healthy guy who is making urine and not dehydrated. If I think it is real, I'd probably start a iv fluids and glucose/insulin to force the k intracellularly initially, then get him to dialysis.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 12:53 am to
You're definitely right about getting an EKG but my point was that if the EKG was normal, that basically doesn't tell you anything regarding the K so it's not like the absence of peaked Ts (or any of the other things you can get with hyperkalemia) would've changed it. Just saying that people get burned by that sometimes by assuming the EKG is sensitive when it isn't.
Posted by LSUERDOC
Member since Jul 2013
2608 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 4:14 am to
LoL at some of the comments in here...
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 5:06 am to
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Should've gotten an EKG








One of the first things they did.




Posted by MBclass83
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
9350 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 6:23 am to
creatinine wouldn't have been that high with a hemolyzed sample. You would also have to look at the blood urea nitrogen level for renal problems.
Something else I thought of is if sample was hemolyzed, the sample should have been rejected by testing facility and a recollect requested.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 7/3/15 at 7:46 am to
quote:

creatinine wouldn't have been that high with a hemolyzed sample. You would also have to look at the blood urea nitrogen level for renal problems.
Something else I thought of is if sample was hemolyzed, the sample should have been rejected by testing facility and a recollect requested.










At this point it's pretty much known that the sample wasn't hemolyzed.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 10:44 am to
I need a new primary care physician. Does anyone have any suggestions please?
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