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Lost Old Dr. Who Discovered!
Posted on 10/8/13 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/8/13 at 9:45 pm
Rumors are going wild that a large number of missing episodes have been found.
Those not in the know. The BBC destroyed almost the entire 2nd Doctor's episodes and most of the first doctor's episodes. They needed the space so they blanked the tapes and destroyed the film.
Allegedly a few years ago they began reaching out to the old stations across the world that they sold the show to.
It was always rumored that people had made copies and had private libraries with missing episodes.
Rumors are probably being overly optimistic. Some think the entire library has been recovered but from one forum I read, not all of the older episodes were sold so some of the original material which was destroyed had no duplicates.
106 episodes is one number being bandied about. Episodes to them isn't a whole show like it is over here. Each story was broken down into between 2 and 6 episodes.
So the 106 might be about 20 full stories. Cool if true for old school whovians.
Would be nice to see some who not over reliant on the magic wand of lazy shitty writing. with old who you just have to deal with laughably bad effects but sometimes compelling stories.
Those not in the know. The BBC destroyed almost the entire 2nd Doctor's episodes and most of the first doctor's episodes. They needed the space so they blanked the tapes and destroyed the film.
Allegedly a few years ago they began reaching out to the old stations across the world that they sold the show to.
It was always rumored that people had made copies and had private libraries with missing episodes.
Rumors are probably being overly optimistic. Some think the entire library has been recovered but from one forum I read, not all of the older episodes were sold so some of the original material which was destroyed had no duplicates.
106 episodes is one number being bandied about. Episodes to them isn't a whole show like it is over here. Each story was broken down into between 2 and 6 episodes.
So the 106 might be about 20 full stories. Cool if true for old school whovians.
Would be nice to see some who not over reliant on the magic wand of lazy shitty writing. with old who you just have to deal with laughably bad effects but sometimes compelling stories.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 10:17 pm to TigerMyth36
What? No old school Whovians?
Posted on 10/8/13 at 11:07 pm to TigerMyth36
If Power of the Daleks and Evil of the Daleks were two of the stories that have been recovered in their entirety that would be sweet!
Posted on 10/9/13 at 1:17 am to Walking the Earth
The speculation is the recovered episodes that will be announced this week are "The Web of Fear" and "The Enemy of the World". Web of Fear has the Yeti, the Great Intelligence and UNIT (the latter two have cropped up in the new series.) Enemy of the World has Patrick Troughton playing a dual role - the Doctor and the bad guy.
There are rumors this is the tip of the iceberg -- the person who found them has more episodes he wants to sell to the BBC. But he wants to get paid first. I hope those Dalek series are in the mix. Old school fans are melting down over this. The main Who message board has banned the topic because it was getting ugly
There are rumors this is the tip of the iceberg -- the person who found them has more episodes he wants to sell to the BBC. But he wants to get paid first. I hope those Dalek series are in the mix. Old school fans are melting down over this. The main Who message board has banned the topic because it was getting ugly
Posted on 10/9/13 at 4:15 am to TigerMyth36
Fan of the show (both old and new) but talk of this has been floating around for over a year now. I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 4:17 am to TigerMyth36
I mainly knew the fourth Doctor as a kid, but remember once seeing a random episode with the first doctor and was shocked to see that he used to be much older.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 8:51 am to Unknown_Poster
This is pretty solid after months of rumors. A press conference is set for later this week. A BBC entertainment reporter who is plugged into the show said missing episodes have been recovered. The question is if there are 9 episodes in the stash or 19 or 90.
The idea of all 106 being recovered seems too far-fetched. Personally, I would be thrilled with any amount. I just hope some dude isn't holding Power of the Daleks and Evil of the Daleks hostage and asking for a massive payment.
The idea of all 106 being recovered seems too far-fetched. Personally, I would be thrilled with any amount. I just hope some dude isn't holding Power of the Daleks and Evil of the Daleks hostage and asking for a massive payment.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 8:54 am to TigerMyth36
Isn't the announcement supposed to coincide with the 50th Anniversary special?
BTW - we really need to get a thread on that started. It's a huge moment with the fall of the 11th and a return to the older doctors.
The Fires of Pompeii now has two doctors and one companion. Crazy casting in that episode.
BTW - we really need to get a thread on that started. It's a huge moment with the fall of the 11th and a return to the older doctors.
The Fires of Pompeii now has two doctors and one companion. Crazy casting in that episode.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 10:54 am to TigerMyth36
quote:Monty Python's Flying Circus only survives b/c the Pythons got a BBC engineer to secretly make copies of all the episodes. Otherwise the entire series would have been "wiped".
The BBC destroyed almost the entire 2nd Doctor's episodes and most of the first doctor's episodes. They needed the space so they blanked the tapes and destroyed the film.
Some shows weren't so lucky. Many episodes of the Python precursor At Last The 1948 Show (1967, starring John Cleese, Graham Chapman, and Marty Feldman) were erased, as were most episodes of Not Only But Also (1965-6), starring the most important figure in British comedy, the brilliant Peter Cook (his straight man was a little fellow named Dudley Moore).
Supposedly when Cook heard the NOBA series was to be erased he went to the BBC and offered to pay e costs to have it copied. His offer was turned down.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 11:35 am to timbo
Yeah, I thought I read on another site that those episodes were never duplicated thus they are gone for good.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 11:37 am to TigerMyth36
On another note, it really irks me they haven't put ALL old episodes up on Netflix or Amazon. New Who is all up. Is their a rights issue they are avoiding?
I guess it it possible they are asking too much or netflix and amazon aren't interested.
I guess it it possible they are asking too much or netflix and amazon aren't interested.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 11:58 am to PowerTool
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mainly knew the fourth Doctor as a kid
and still the best.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 12:09 pm to mt1
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and still the best.
and not even close although I do hate the writer who came up with the sonic screwdriver during his tenure. Not that Baker used it that much but that tool has destroyed new who.
4500 aliens attacking while a supernova is sucked into a black hole. No problem, let me wave my magic wand of lazy writing.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 12:10 pm to TigerMyth36
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On another note, it really irks me they haven't put ALL old episodes up on Netflix or Amazon. New Who is all up. Is their a rights issue they are avoiding?
I guess it it possible they are asking too much or netflix and amazon aren't interested.
That irks me to no end too. There's a lot of BBC content on Netflix. It seems to me there would be an audience for those episodes. And I can't imagine the BBC wanting a lot of dough -- Lord knows they made their money back probably tenfold from the cost of shooting those episodes.
I get that they keep on churning out the DVDs of classic episodes and you don't want to step on that. Just put up everything that hasn't been released on DVD in the past year or two. That would be plenty.
Thank God the EBR Library system has just about all the classic episodes available for checkout.
This post was edited on 10/9/13 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/9/13 at 3:21 pm to timbo
Might be because (and I don't know this as I stopped following the release schedule years ago) they haven't gotten around to remastering/rereleasing the DVD versions of all the old episodes. So perhaps the ones on Nextflix/Amazon are the ones that actually have DVD releases.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 3:47 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Might be because (and I don't know this as I stopped following the release schedule years ago) they haven't gotten around to remastering/rereleasing the DVD versions of all the old episodes. So perhaps the ones on Nextflix/Amazon are the ones that actually have DVD releases.
Nahhhh. Just about all of the classic episodes that still exist are out on DVD. The last Tom Baker story came out this month. All the Pertwee, Davison, C. Baker and McCoy episodes have been released on DVD.
The BBC had a goal of putting everything out on DVD by the end of this year, in conjunction with the 50th Anniversary. But some missing episodes have been found (and more are in the pipeline) and they've taken to animating some missing episodes from the First and Second Doctor years in order to complete a whole serial.
I think the only episodes available on Netflix/Amazon streaming are in the first batch to come out on DVD.
Posted on 10/9/13 at 4:30 pm to TigerMyth36
One of my roommates in college was a Who fan. He was a triple major math, physics, chemistry. I am pretty sure he is making much more than I am now.
Posted on 10/10/13 at 8:21 pm to timbo
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The speculation is the recovered episodes that will be announced this week are "The Web of Fear" and "The Enemy of the World". Web of Fear has the Yeti, the Great Intelligence and UNIT (the latter two have cropped up in the new series.) Enemy of the World has Patrick Troughton playing a dual role - the Doctor and the bad guy.
And we have a winner. That is exactly what they recovered, minus episode 3 of WOF.
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Nine episodes are better than zero episodes so I guess I need to quit whining but I was hoping for some sort of "surprise special announcement" as the icing on the cake. Even if the two Troughton Dalek stories are likely gone forever, I would have settled for the entire Tenth Planet story.
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