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2016 Academic Standards (applies to this yr's HS freshmen)
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:40 pm
Below is a fairly long read on the new academic standards for 2016 that apply to this year's high school freshmen:
Eligibility vs. academic preparedness
New NCAA standards rooted in good intentions but plagued by practical challenges
The standards are a significant increase:
o GPA - 2.0 to 2.3 in core
o Core - 10 of 16 must be completed and passed going into your sr year. No more srs taking freshmen courses during their last year.
An NCAA review noted that while about 15% of all student athletes failed to make this standard, the numbers are 35% for football and 43% for basketball. Note this is the avg, so it includes academic leagues like the Ivy in it. BCS conf on the whole are probably worse.
Now this isn't the complete disaster as it might seem. They've created a smarter version of the old partial qualifier--the academic redshirt that can be on scholarship and can practice with the team, but cannot play until he can demonstrate he can do the academic work. Probably means a lot more redshirts by play ready freshman.
The biggest issue that seems to be out there is getting the word out. How do you get 8th graders to take this shite seriously?
Here is an informative podcast (30 min) with Ivan Maisel and the author. It also gives an overview of the high workload of the eligibility center that will probably be even greater in the years to come:
Maisel and O'Neil on new academic standards
Eligibility vs. academic preparedness
New NCAA standards rooted in good intentions but plagued by practical challenges
The standards are a significant increase:
o GPA - 2.0 to 2.3 in core
o Core - 10 of 16 must be completed and passed going into your sr year. No more srs taking freshmen courses during their last year.
An NCAA review noted that while about 15% of all student athletes failed to make this standard, the numbers are 35% for football and 43% for basketball. Note this is the avg, so it includes academic leagues like the Ivy in it. BCS conf on the whole are probably worse.
Now this isn't the complete disaster as it might seem. They've created a smarter version of the old partial qualifier--the academic redshirt that can be on scholarship and can practice with the team, but cannot play until he can demonstrate he can do the academic work. Probably means a lot more redshirts by play ready freshman.
The biggest issue that seems to be out there is getting the word out. How do you get 8th graders to take this shite seriously?
Here is an informative podcast (30 min) with Ivan Maisel and the author. It also gives an overview of the high workload of the eligibility center that will probably be even greater in the years to come:
Maisel and O'Neil on new academic standards
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Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:58 pm to Indiana Tiger
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The biggest issue that seems to be out there is getting the word out. How do you get 8th graders to take this shite seriously?
Change the rules for high school eligibility. I think you currently have to have a 2.0 to play sports in high school in Louisiana.
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Core - 10 of 16 must be completed and passed going into your sr year. No more srs taking freshmen courses during their last year.
Who cares when you take your core course work?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:01 pm to Suntiger
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Who cares when you take your core course work?
The NCAA now does. The rationale behind this is that if you're going to college you should be preparing throughout your high school years. You should be taking courses in a prescribed order and on time. Lucky they didn't make the standard a year by year thing.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:07 pm to Indiana Tiger
If everyone plays by the same rules...have no issue with it
They are Student-Athletes
It will affect schools though
They are Student-Athletes
It will affect schools though
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:22 pm to Indiana Tiger
Why does it matter when these kids take certain classes as long as they take them?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:28 pm to lsusteve1
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If everyone plays by the same rules...have no issue with it
That's kind of a naive way of looking at rules. If there was a rule to enter college that said you must military press your body weight 10 reps, it would apply to everyone, but not impact everyone the same. LA does not have the most efficient secondary education system around, so we may have an inordinate share of the burden. But I'm not arguing against the rule and I'm confident Miles and company will be prepared.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:29 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:
Why does it matter when these kids take certain classes as long as they take the
I agree with this. I don't even understand why this is a big issue.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:33 pm to Indiana Tiger
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LA does not have the most efficient secondary education system around
You get what you put into it.......there are a few exceptions but not many.
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But I'm not arguing against the rule and I'm confident Miles and company will be prepared
No doubt
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:39 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:I believe the theory is that when you take them out of order there is a much greater risk that you are more or less being given grades just to get eligible, instead of actually learning the material so you can do well in college, like a normal high school student.
Why does it matter when these kids take certain classes as long as they take them?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:42 pm to Gravitiger
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I believe the theory is that when you take them out of order there is a much greater risk that you are more or less being given grades just to get eligible, instead of actually learning the material so you can do well in college, like a normal high school student.
That's a pretty big assumption to alter an entire set of rules over. High school aren't created equal in the first place. What type of education you get at Baton Rouge High is far different from Scotlandville for a myriad of reasons.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:03 pm to Tiger Authority
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That's a pretty big assumption to alter an entire set of rules over. High school aren't created equal in the first place. What type of education you get at Baton Rouge High is far different from Scotlandville for a myriad of reasons.
They would like college students to be somewhat prepared and this is the most rational approach. When they see some kid pass like 10 core subjects with straight A's in their senior year, they know it's being gamed, but can't really prove it. Gaming will not go away, but it makes it more difficult and some will actually benefit from it.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:06 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:All good points, I was just attempting to explain the NCAA's thought process.
That's a pretty big assumption to alter an entire set of rules over. High school aren't created equal in the first place. What type of education you get at Baton Rouge High is far different from Scotlandville for a myriad of reasons.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:09 pm to Indiana Tiger
This just means a lot of kids from the south won't be going to big time football schools. The JUCOs are gonna love it.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:11 pm to Camp Randall
quote:IMO it just means the kids and their high schools will adjust to meet the new standards. Which is not a bad thing. Won't keep anyone who really deserves a college education from getting one.
This just means a lot of kids from the south won't be going to big time football schools. The JUCOs are gonna love it.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:15 pm to Camp Randall
quote:Not really. The entry requirements are the same as now, but if you don't meet the new standards you have to redshirt. Unless the school has some policy not to take academic redshirts, they can still get in. The B1G is arrogant enough to implement a league wide rule like that though I have no idea if they will.
This just means a lot of kids from the south won't be going to big time football schools. The JUCOs are gonna love it.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:17 pm to Indiana Tiger
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The B1G is arrogant enough to implement a league wide rule like that though I have no idea if they will.
I think Urban would lose his shite. And as tOSU & Michigan go, so goes the B1G.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:18 pm to Gravitiger
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I believe the theory is that when you take them out of order there is a much greater risk that you are more or less being given grades just to get eligible, instead of actually learning the material so you can do well in college, like a normal high school student.
exactly, this is similar to the change several years ago that you can't make up multiple core classes during the summer after your class graduates.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:15 pm to Tiger Authority
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Why does it matter when these kids take certain classes as long as they take them?
Probably has something to do with failing multiple core courses in their first few years of high school and then magically passing all of them their senior year on top of the normal course load to become eligible.
There was a certain recruit a few years ago that signed elsewhere who wasn't even classifed as a senior entering his last football season....but somehow made up all the ground he had missed over the course of that year and the following Summer, and managed to raise his gpa to the required level in the process.
The NCAA doesn't have any jurisdiction over high schools and how grades are determined, but it is pretty clear what is going on in some situations. I think it's just their attempt to curb the more egregious cases.
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