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re: Which posters supported the Ed Orgeron hire?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:06 am to BigVoodoo
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:06 am to BigVoodoo
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I hated the hire but I would still take 2019 even if I knew this would happen
This is why the Orgeron era will be an eternal struggle between posters on the Rant.
He won a national championship. But he flamed out and failed miserably after that.
“Who are the idiots who wanted Orgeron?”
“Well he won a national championship”
“Well he sucked”
“Well he won a national championship”
“Yeah but he sucked”
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:07 am to 777Tiger
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barely hung on
Oh I agree, but barely still means did.
I’m not happy with the result either but let’s be factual.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:08 am to Topwater Trout
Rightfully so, that unqualified buffoon has destroyed the program just as expected.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:08 am to Jack Daniel
I was excited because I was so happy to be rid of Les Miles. I was hoping Ed would be the one to turn it around. And he did to an extent, but as much as Ed said he learned from Ole Miss, USC, he seems to be doing the same shite.
I use to want Ed around because of his recruiting ability, but damn he doesn't seem to even be as good as Les was at that.
I supported the hire, but I wished that LSU would have gotten better.
I use to want Ed around because of his recruiting ability, but damn he doesn't seem to even be as good as Les was at that.
I supported the hire, but I wished that LSU would have gotten better.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:16 am to LCTFAN
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With NIL personally I am no longer watching college football with the same interest
Players having the ability to capitalized on their new found fame affects your fan experience how?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:25 am to Old Character
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Again, why in the hell would a top notch coordinator come coach under an idiot head coach???!!
Because the top notch coordinator would get all the credit for any success which would lead to HC opportunities. Brady was the PASSING COORDINATOR for 1 year and is on the short list for NFL HCs.
The issue with the strategy is that O couldn't identify the best coordinators and after 2019 he limited his talent pool by pigeon holing both sides of the ball to a specific scheme.
After 2020 no respectable/experienced DC wanted to come here cuz we fired our last DC after 1 season and O was trying to tell potential candidates what scheme he wanted to run instead of letting them run the scheme that made them successful.
On offense he was also up shits creek cuz he refused to deviate from the "Joe Brady" offense. He basically limited his potential candidates to current saints coaches or someone on Brady's staff in Carolina. He ended up hiring the first guy Brady suggested and we see how that is working out.
O dug his own grave but it was decisions made AFTER 2019 that put the nail in his coffin. Outside of Canada in year 1, most of his decisions leading to the 2019 season were at the very least decent and he had the program in an upward trajectory. He then deviated from the plan.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:26 am to Kracka
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I use to want Ed around because of his recruiting ability, but damn he doesn't seem to even be as good as Les was at that.
I'm not even sure when the "he's a great recruiter" thing became a thing. I'm old enough to remember when this board didn't even want him on staff because they considered him toxic. Then, when Saban began to poach a lot of Louisiana kids, Les brought him on to the staff in an attempt to mitigate Saban's actions, and the attitude changed.
In reality, recruiting may be his best skill, but the rest of his skillset is so bad, it sets a low bar.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:28 am to Jack Daniel
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Because he had Elhinger at Texas and Burrow was looking at places to start immediately
Ellingher was a middling part time starter in 2017 sharing time with Shane Beuchel. Texas's QB position was far from settled. Sure Ehlinger improved but he was not some guaranteed stud going into 2018.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:32 am to Jack Daniel
everyone on this board afer the national championship
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:33 am to Magician2
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I supported the Ceo model-where you pay top dollar for the OC/DC- O gets a reasonable salary
You're a fricking idiot
And you probably want Cristobal now as well
Cristobal
Swinney
Urban Myer
Sam Pitman
All the above are specific examples of coaches who relied/rely on coordinators and were/are successful. Hell most HCs don't call plays on either side of the ball and rely on their coordinators. It wasn't the model that was the issue. It was the CEO's inability to hire good coordinators.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:33 am to Jack Daniel
quote:2019.
They should be black listed from threads regarding new coach hires.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:36 am to Jack Daniel
I sure did not. I was against it when he lost that game to Florida during his interim year. Everything on the line and Florida agreeing to play over here and SEC trip to Atlanta on the line and he couldn't beat a mediocre Florida team. That was it for me and then I AM THE Search hires him . what a fricking travesty.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:36 am to Mo Jeaux
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bullshite. E found Brady and convinced O to hire him. Burrow also pretty much fell into O’s lap.
Doesn't matter, O pulled the trigger. Since when is taking your assistant's advice considered a negative?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:37 am to Goldrush25
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did consider that I might be wrong about his ego allowing him to keep capable assistants onboard and him being content to be a type of figurehead, ornamental mascot type of figure.
Pre 2019 you were wrong and he did set his ego aside. Once he had success, the ego showed back up and ruined everything.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:39 am to Mo Jeaux
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In reality, recruiting may be his best skill, but the rest of his skillset is so bad, it sets a low bar.
And so has his recruiting ability if it ever was a real strength. I mean, look where LSU has been since he's been head coach. We might finish high, but we are so thin at key positions.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:42 am to Mo Jeaux
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a group of his supporters back then were pretty nasty toward those of us who didn't.
Its not that yall didn't support the hire, its that yall did everything possible to shite on anything positive posted for 2 fricking years. people weren't mean to you cuz you didn't like O, people were mean to you cuz you and your brethren were complete assholes about the situation and made this board a really shitty place.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:45 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Doesn't matter, O pulled the trigger.
And he should get credit for that. I have no problem with it.
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Since when is taking your assistant's advice considered a negative?
It's not. The issue is that most effective leaders comprehend why their assistants are making the recommendation, and they assess whether their assistants' recommendations are worthy of being implemented.
There is nothing, and I mean nothing, in O's career that lends credence to the fact that he does this. He takes the throw shite against the wall and see what sticks approach.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:45 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:lol, wut? Ever heard of Matt Canada?
Pre 2019 you were wrong and he did set his ego aside.
I guess you also forgot Troy... He was throwing anything and everything under the bus after that loss.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:46 am to bayou prince
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Do you think Alabama, or OSU, would say that.
Bama is on an unreal hot streak with Saban. their success isn't comparible to any program ever.
OSU hasn't won a natty since 2014 and hadnt won one since 2002 before that and hadnt won one since 1970 before that. Say what you want about them but I'll take 3 Natty's since 2000 while playing in the best conference in America over empty 10 win seasons.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:48 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Its not that yall didn't support the hire, its that yall did everything possible to shite on anything positive posted for 2 fricking years. people weren't mean to you cuz you didn't like O, people were mean to you cuz you and your brethren were complete assholes about the situation and made this board a really shitty place.
Meh. I have no regrets. Here we are, pretty much where we suspected we would be. It's great that a lot of people are comfortable saying, "well, at least we had 2019".
I think what most of us "O haters" wanted was someone who could sustain and build a program, and compete for championships every so often.
I hope we don't end up like Auburn, looking back at 2019 like some fat middle-aged guy does with his high school glory days.
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