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re: Private Equity investment. Anyone used PE to generate alpha?

Posted on 10/6/21 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by LordOfDebate99
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 10/6/21 at 2:11 pm to
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I don’t buy the whole uncorrelated narrative, but PE may have a place in a portfolio. The “problem” I have is PE returns have been diminishing vs public market equivalent returns for quite some time now, and the after-tax returns often close the rest of the gap. There is still room for outperformance in some markets, and Asia may be one of them, but the trend isn’t very exciting when you consider you’ll be tying money up for 6+ years.


And there lies the rub.

Are they really generating alpha or is it just them pouring on the leverage and getting away with it?

Honestly, net IRR >15% seems insanely impressive to me (I guess I'm easily impressed) particularly if it's uncorrelated and the risks are lower. But that also makes me think they're just leveraging up and calling it a day.

I read a recent report by INVESCO that argued that the correlation was only 0.46 between the stock market and PE firms.

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the trend isn’t very exciting when you consider you’ll be tying money up for 6+ years.


That's fair enough. Some hedgefunds are also open to me but they also have some rules regarding withdrawal. I'm okay with tying up money for 6+ years - it's not money I need immediately.

I guess I'm hoping I've not missed the boat here.



Also, side note, did you study at Stanford? Kudos if that's the case.
Posted by slackster
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/6/21 at 3:03 pm to
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I read a recent report by INVESCO that argued that the correlation was only 0.46 between the stock market and PE firms.


Look around some more. It’s hard to find Asia specific data, but US buyout funds tend to have correlations north of .75.

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Honestly, net IRR >15% seems insanely impressive to me (I guess I'm easily impressed) particularly if it's uncorrelated and the risks are lower. But that also makes me think they're just leveraging up and calling it a day.


15% is stout as hell, but I just don’t think you’ll find the lack of correlation you seek. Risk-adjusted returns are notorious difficult to find for PE, but there are sources that would suggest the net returns aren’t great there either.

Asia PE is probably a different story given the inefficiencies that likely exist there, but the data is hard to find.

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Also, side note, did you study at Stanford? Kudos if that's the case.


I was sent an invite to apply to Stanford, so thank you, but I just use the S to match my username and make it easy to find posts while browsing.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:03 am to
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Some hedgefunds are also open to me


Seems like more hedge than P/E would be open to you considering investment minimums.

I work in P/E, but on the legal, not business side. Happy to answer any questions that I can.
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