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Private Equity investment. Anyone used PE to generate alpha?

Posted on 10/6/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted by LordOfDebate99
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 10/6/21 at 12:00 pm
I'm approaching the stage where I can invest in Private Equity through a private bank.

I'm looking for uncorrelated returns with significant alpha generation. In terms of geography and IRR, I'm looking at Asia and hoping for an IRR of >20% over the life cycle of the fund. In terms of strategy, I'm looking for growth equity or buyouts. The rest of my investment is in the US so I'm looking for geographic diversification.

One fund that seems to meet my criteria and is open: Carlyle Asia Partners Growth II. I'm just a bit skeptical of PE as an asset class in terms of providing alpha. I'm also dubious that the IRR they promise will be delivered - that said, their previous fund over-achieved which makes me somewhat uncertain.

Anyone had experience investing in Private Equity for alpha? Anyone know much about PE?



This post was edited on 10/6/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/6/21 at 1:37 pm to
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hoping for an IRR of >20%


Aren’t we all.

According to Carlyle Group’s June 2021 investor presentation, net IRR for their Asia fund has been 19% since inception.

I don’t buy the whole uncorrelated narrative, but PE may have a place in a portfolio. The “problem” I have is PE returns have been diminishing vs public market equivalent returns for quite some time now, and the after-tax returns often close the rest of the gap. There is still room for outperformance in some markets, and Asia may be one of them, but the trend isn’t very exciting when you consider you’ll be tying money up for 6+ years.

Good luck.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13104 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 1:55 pm to
Baw if you want uncorrelated returns, jump into SLI. I wouldn’t touch any Chinese stocks or funds with a 10 foot pole.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7909 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 10:29 pm to
Yo you know where to find that ALPHA?

ETA: ok felt like a dick… but 15%, give or take, should be the standard for the run the mill PE strategy.

Quoted volatility is generally quoted far lower because valuations are not calculated the same way as publicly traded markets, but obviously there is a vastly different liquidity profile vs the public markets. So relative volatility in PE is really only a number on paper.

For that illiquidity, you should require a higher return. “PE investing” is a broad statement, and there’s plenty of diversification you can aim for in that space. Different equity approaches/strategies, different vintages (commitment timing), industry/country, etc…

With equity market returns looking less attractive vs the last decade, bonds looking meager… a good PE and other sources of alternative return are worth considering.
This post was edited on 10/6/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted by TomBuchanan
East Egg, Long Island
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:02 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 12:43 am
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 10/8/21 at 12:16 am to
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I'm looking for uncorrelated returns with significant alpha generation.
So I'm admittedly just learning about investment returns for private equity, but the more I research, the more skeptical I am that it provides any positive alpha at all, if not negative.

So a couple of things that initially bothered me. First, it's difficult to actually find any useful information about returns at all, and when they do post them, it's always IRR. Typically I like IRR, or money-weighted rate of return, because index funds usually is the time-weighted rate of return (i.e., how much has $10,000 initially invested grown over various periods of time); however, I don't have the luxury of being able to invest it all at one time, and I invest it throughout the year with what I can and when I can (weekly and/or monthly in my personal accounts, bi-weekly for more work accounts, etc.), essentially dollar-cost averaging (but not technically DCA since I'm not withholding any to average in).

So when I backtest or do monte carlo simulations on portfoliovisualizer, I always do a monthly investment of the same amount (usually $1,000), and look at both the TWRR and MWRR to get a sense of how the portfolio performs under various conditions (e.g., MWRR beneficial in high volatility markets and downturns). But those are consistent cash-flows (including dividend reinvestments) so they're relatively simple and easily understandable calculations.

But with private equity (and things like Grant Cardonne's real estate investment), which uses IRR, it's a lot harder to figure out what those returns mean in reality.

And the more I research private equity, the more I realize that it's even more deceiving than the general lack of transparency would suggest. Specifically, the IRR is based on the amount that is actually put towards investments, which at first glance, this doesn't appear deceiving, until I realized it's not how much an investor "invests" in the private equity, it's what the private equity firm actually allocates to investments, and this is often not 100% and far from it:

Are Private Equity Returns Overstated?
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Let’s say your pension fund makes a $10 million commitment to a private equity fund. It’s highly likely that just $6-$7 million of that capital will be invested by the PE fund. This is because, on average, PE funds only call roughly 60-70% of committed capital (another issue is that many funds still charge fees on the $10 million of committed capital, so investors are paying much more than a 2% management fee, but I digress).

This means that while investors may be receiving decent returns on their PE investments, it’s being earned on a smaller capital base than they may realize, thus diminishing the impact of the returns on the overall portfolio.
So if I commit $10 million to a PE investment, but they only invest 60% of that or $6 million, and they triple that $6 million in 10 years, I now have $220 million or 120% return, but they will calculate that as 200% return. But it's not a 100% return, because that $10 million I committed, and in the stock market, that would have been $10 million invested.

So that's deceiving, but it gets even more deceiving because of the timing:
quote:

The timing of the cash flows matter. IRRs are used because they are meant to take into account the timing of cash flows. When our hypothetical pension fund makes its $10 million commitment to a PE fund, they don’t simply hand over that money all at once. It gets invested as opportunities arise. The investment period for a PE fund can last up to 10-15 years. But the IRR stat places a lot of weight on the earliest cash flows. When you invest and how quickly you get your money back can have a huge impact on the IRR calculation.
So now let's say they don't even invest that $6 million for 5 years, so they'll calculate the IRR on that 200% return over 5 years, which is 24.6%. But in reality, I made $12 million ($22 million total including initial $10 million), or 120% in 10 years, for an annualized return of 8.2%, which is not even close to the 24.6% they'll cite.

And I was able to actually find an example of this because CalPERS publishes all of their Private Equity investments.

Private Equity Program Fund Performance Review

Specifically, they cite the overall performance as:
quote:

As of March 31, 2021, the since inception Net IRR is 11.2% and the Net Multiple is 1.5x.
So 11.2% is good, a bit better than the stock market (historically between 10 and 11 percent). In addition, of the 226 investments that had a long enough time frame to make a calculation (pre-2017, which seems crazy to me that 4 years isn't enough), the average IRR is 11.5% and the median is 10.15% and the average net multiple is 1.62 and the median is 1.5. So that's pretty consistent.

But again, it's really difficult to actually determine investment performance since I don't know the cash flows both in-flows and out-flows and exactly when they occurred. But there is one investment that has not had any cash distributions but it does have the NAV so it's easier to calculate.

Specifically, in 2015 (so 6 years ago) CalPERS committed $150 million to the Patria Brazilian Private Equity Fund V. 6 years later the NAV is $239,430,998.

That's a total gain of about 60% (or a net multiple of ~1.6) for an annualized return of 8%. But here is the thing, of the $150 million, only about $131 million (87%) has been put towards investments and management fees. So that multiple is 1.82, or 10.6% annualized.

That is already deceiving since they committed $150 million, but it gets worse. They cite the IRR not at 8% or even 10.6%, but instead at 31.8%. But if I invested $150 million and was told my annual return was 31.8% over 6 years, then I would expect that to have increased by 424% and be worth ~$786 million. Instead, it's increased by 60% and is worth a little less than $240 million.

So in my opinion, while the returns are probably technically correct (i.e., based on the smaller amount invested and the timing), the IRR is so deceiving that it is essentially meaningless. And that IRR is in the to 6% of all of their investments, almost 3X their overall IRR. So if that's ~4X the actual return (i.e., amount gained on the initial investment over the time period), then that 11.2% is clearly way higher than the actual return, at least in any normal sense of investing.

In other words, I would be highly skeptical of getting any actual alpha if I were you because their returns appear to be quite inflated and deceiving. And maybe I'll make another post about this, but if I were you, and I was going to invest in a PE fund, I would stay far away from that Carlyle investment because that one seems like it could be another example of an investment that is doing well and then boom it's completely gone.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 12:19 am
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11196 posts
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:21 pm to
My guess is your definition of alpha is performance above S&P annualized returns. That’s not really alpha. Why sacrifice liquidity and less risk for what amounts to be similar to inferior returns?
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