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re: Why were we ever in Afghanistan?
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:05 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:05 pm to OMLandshark
Well technically the KSA was happy to blame OBL too, as he had become a persona non grata by that time. People don’t understand his role in the Islamic world at the time. He was sort of a roving warlord for a time, as he had contacts through Pakistani, KSA and Chinese intelligence, with US monies filtered through ISI, and a band of Arab legionaries who he wanted to use to fight in different areas. When he was back in the KSA, he opposed the royal family at times, such as when he wanted to interrupt the Yemeni unification, and he wanted influence elsewhere, trying to interfere variously in Afghani and Pakistani politics. He publicly denounced the Royal Family after they rebuffed his efforts to protect the country, instead using US support in the wake of Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait.
So his involvement, whatever it was, was extremely convenient for the royal family, who were open about his role in palace politics, sort of like a courtier or a noblemen if that makes sense, and for the US, who knew of him but didn’t interact directly with him, instead using ISI to do that work for him. That’s not to say that there weren’t members of the royal family who supported him, they did, just that the politics of the KSA was as factional as the politics of any other country, so blaming the entire country for 9/11 would have been impossible even absent the links between Bin Laden’ s family, the royal family itself, and the elite class here.
OBL wanted to draw both superpowers into protracted war in any MENA country, and in that respect he was successful. There is perspectives that state that the US’s handling of the former Talibs, just like their handling of the former Ba’ath Party and Armed Forces members in Iraq, caused many issues that set the stage for a possible resurgence. Regardless, singularly blaming any country other than Afghanistan was impossible because, for lack of a better explanation, as other countries involved had more plausible deniability, and it was a fact that OBL was using Afghanistan as a base.
So his involvement, whatever it was, was extremely convenient for the royal family, who were open about his role in palace politics, sort of like a courtier or a noblemen if that makes sense, and for the US, who knew of him but didn’t interact directly with him, instead using ISI to do that work for him. That’s not to say that there weren’t members of the royal family who supported him, they did, just that the politics of the KSA was as factional as the politics of any other country, so blaming the entire country for 9/11 would have been impossible even absent the links between Bin Laden’ s family, the royal family itself, and the elite class here.
OBL wanted to draw both superpowers into protracted war in any MENA country, and in that respect he was successful. There is perspectives that state that the US’s handling of the former Talibs, just like their handling of the former Ba’ath Party and Armed Forces members in Iraq, caused many issues that set the stage for a possible resurgence. Regardless, singularly blaming any country other than Afghanistan was impossible because, for lack of a better explanation, as other countries involved had more plausible deniability, and it was a fact that OBL was using Afghanistan as a base.
This post was edited on 9/1/21 at 8:07 pm
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Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:10 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Wow. You literally can not shut up, can you?
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:20 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Because George Bush is the biggest fool in American history.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:27 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
No good reason really.
Somewhere along the line, we in America got the silly idea of taking a "you break it, you fix it" approach to war.
All that SHOULD have happened in Afghanistan is some highly punitive action up front. Basically what we did. Then, friggin leave while saying, "don't let us even THINK you're going back to terrorist camps or it will rain fire again"
Somewhere along the line, we in America got the silly idea of taking a "you break it, you fix it" approach to war.
All that SHOULD have happened in Afghanistan is some highly punitive action up front. Basically what we did. Then, friggin leave while saying, "don't let us even THINK you're going back to terrorist camps or it will rain fire again"
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:28 pm to ShortyRob
I agree with this. There was some strategic win bullshite behind it, though.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:32 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:Yeah. I think there was a lot of rationalization both there and Iraq.
I agree with this. There was some strategic win bullshite behind it, though.
But, the bottom line is, even rank and file Americans for a long time had this attitude of, "we can't just bomb them and expect them to fend for themselves".
This attitude is also why we basically can't win any wars. No war in this history of the world was won by defeating ONLY the green suiters.
Posted on 9/1/21 at 9:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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We actively encouraged them to build mosques and spread the Wahhabi bullshite, and a whole lot more. We created the Iran boogeyman too out of it. It’s all so deeply retarded.
correct
Posted on 9/1/21 at 9:09 pm to AggieExile
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US Navy Fan
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Wow. You literally can not shut up, can you?
the combat vets I know would never be on a message board talking about their combat experiences
they wouldn't talk about it at Waffle House
they wouldn't talk about it in Sunday school
they wouldn't complain that their opinion should matter more than the civilian's opinions that they fought for
and they'd never be triggered by a civilian
but thank you for your service in the Navy in Afghanistan
This post was edited on 9/1/21 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 9/1/21 at 9:14 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Because the CIA and it's overlords created 9/11
Posted on 9/1/21 at 9:22 pm to Hurricane Mike
correct
Posted on 9/2/21 at 12:48 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Harry, you're boring me.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 1:24 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:01 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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but thank you for your service in the Navy in Afghanistan
Jesus man, are you trying to suggest that there were no Navy personnel on the ground in Afghanistan? There are SEALs, EOD, corpsmen with Marines, NCIS, Intelligence, the list goes on. Or maybe he was a Marine who supports Navy football.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 6:15 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:51 am to Buck Strickland
This is from a Virginia Newspaper in 2006.
Seems some folks believe that the Navy only serves over water.
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With the war in Iraq straining U.S. Army and Marine units, missions in Afghanistan are increasingly being turned over to the Navy and Air Force.
Now, officers who have spent decades honing their combat skills in the cockpit or on the bridge of a ship are being tapped for an entirely different kind of job. They're visiting schools, meeting with village elders and helping local Afghan governments set up police forces and court systems.
Seems some folks believe that the Navy only serves over water.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 1:03 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
OK I'll bite- I could lie and say anything. But I won't.
Bridges, riser structures etc. One riser for a dam was 80 feet tall and I had an access bridge from the dam to the riser. So I had to consider seismic loads, differential settlement, total settlement, wind loads, ice loads, live loads, dead loads and design per codes. So taller than 2 stories, made of steel and concrete, multiple gates, but not 800 C fire resistant.
BTW structural collapse from fire softened steel happens other places as well.
LINK
Illinois Overpass
Cleveland
Bridges, riser structures etc. One riser for a dam was 80 feet tall and I had an access bridge from the dam to the riser. So I had to consider seismic loads, differential settlement, total settlement, wind loads, ice loads, live loads, dead loads and design per codes. So taller than 2 stories, made of steel and concrete, multiple gates, but not 800 C fire resistant.
BTW structural collapse from fire softened steel happens other places as well.
LINK
Illinois Overpass
Cleveland
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