re: CDC warns COVID-19 may be a few mutations away from evading vaccines

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Yea post the percentage of the population that was vaccinated at the beginning of January.

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You said we didn’t start until January. Did we or didn’t we start in December?

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You will just prove my point.

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which is?

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You said we didn’t start until January. Did we or didn’t we start in December?

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Right, he said you have to wait 2 weeks then another 2 from the time vaccines started

Now he's changed course to saying something different.

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Right, he said you have to wait 2 weeks then another 2 from the time vaccines started Now he's changed course to saying something different.

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I’m trying to figure out if you are a troll or not.

Let me be as clear as possible… they are including deaths from a time when basically no one was vaccinated and the bulk of the deaths were occurring.

If you think that is logical please explain it to me

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You said we didn’t start until January. Did we or didn’t we start in December?

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I said a very low percentage of the population was completely vaccinated in January.

You want to dispute that big guy?

Y’all know you are wrong so you are nitpicking

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I said a very low percentage of the population was completely vaccinated in January.

You want to dispute that big guy?

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I never have. I disputed a clear misstatement you made.

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Y’all know you are wrong so you are nitpicking

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Let me know what I was wrong about. I’d appreciate you quoting it.

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shel311

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You're coming off as willfully ignorant. Like you have staked out a position, and now your head is in the sand, refusing to be confronted with a changing reality.

1) The CDC has admitted that they are not testing for any variant, just the original virus. They are pulling that testing panel in December.

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assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. Recent mutations reported for SARS-CoV-2 (e.g., D614G), which may impact molecular testing, are not included. - CDC alert.

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2) The CDC claims masks work, yet the highest spike was during a mandated mask period.

3) The CDC has given specific direction not to count fully vaccinated people, unless they are exhibiting "serious" symptoms. So its impossible to make any claims about transmission percentages between vaxxed and unvaxxed. However, other countries are supplying accurate data.

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Vaccinated people make up 75% of recent COVID-19 cases in Singapore - Reuters, July 22

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4) The CDC clearly said they are observing the infection and transmission rates of the vaccinated. Therefore, no previous study can be used to deflect their findings. They are outdated.

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The CDC announced Tuesday that people infected with Delta - vaccinated or unvaccinated - have higher viral loads compared to other versions of coronavirus. That means even vaccinated people could pass the virus along to others similarly to how unvaccinated people do.

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5) Studies in Israel and the UK have shown a rapid decline in the vaccine confidence interval. Just since July 3rd confidence went from 95%, to 64%, and now below 39%.

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vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry. - CNBC

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6) So many vaccinated people are testing positive a dozen countries are mixing the vaccine manufacturers in hopes of providing more protection.

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A growing number of countries are looking at switching to different COVID-19 vaccines for second doses or booster shots amid safety concerns that have slowed their vaccination campaigns. - Reuters

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7) Countries other than the US are reporting rapid increases in serious cases of COVID among their fully vaccinated. April 13th that number was 99.75%. By July 15th that was 97%. On July 20th the numbers were 90%. July 23rd 88%. Government health boards are posting numbers today that show hospitalizations of the unvaccinated have dropped to 75.2% of totals.

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The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization. - CNBC

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Unvaccinated population accounted for 57 per cent of total cases, 75.2 per cent of hospitalizations, 83.9 per cent of ICU admissions and 84.9 per cent of deaths.

Of the 265 deaths reported in that time frame, 225 were among unvaccinated people (84.9%).

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Just make sure you get straight when you want to start that clock so you don't have to post 1 thing then change it to a later date like you did.

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I never changed a damn thing

- Very few people immune from vaccinations in January
- bulk of deaths reported in January/February
- deaths are usually reported weeks after they occur
- infections that caused those deaths lag even further

Almost no one who had a reported death in January had an opportunity to be vaccinated and seroconvert before they were infected with the covid that killed them

SO, why are they including their death in a statistic about vaccinate vs unvaccinated deaths?

Now GFY

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Now GFY

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oh he's big mad that he had to change his start date from when vaccines started to 1 month after vaccines started

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So if we're debating numbers based on the delta variant, if this is true we're all wrong. Every single one of us, just shows your bias to only call me out, why not call out the others then for posting data based on a variant not being tested on?

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However, other countries are supplying accurate data

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Just because you were wrong doesn't mean everyone was wrong.