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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:41 pm to SOSFAN
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:41 pm to SOSFAN
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You on the other hand have demanded Chauvin's head on a platter from the start and refuse to even consider any testimony that doesn't line up with your agenda.
Racists tend to be like that.
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:41 pm to AMS
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that seems to be general consensus of this thread, but it is currently contrary to the evidence and testimony of the case so far
It also doesn’t matter from a culpability standpoint for Chauvin. If Floyd would have been alive absent Chauvin putting his knee on him, then Chauvin is guilty. I’m not sure of which charge as I don’t know enough about that.
It’s like if someone is driving 100 mph towards a brick wall with no safety equipment meaning to commit suicide and they are shot before they hit, then the bullet is what killed him and the one who shot has culpability.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:42 pm to J Hendrix
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s it the general consensus of the board that had Floyd not encountered the police that day that he would have probably died later that night from an overdose?
fair enough question...
I don't know if Floyd would have swallowed all his pills at once if it weren't for police trying to send him back to jail...probably not the rapid intake, doesn't fit "recreational intake standards"... I'd have to ask AMS...what druggies do
that being said, Floyd was rushed to the hospital twice the month before for taking too many similar shaped "pills"
same drug dealer
same dirty drugs
same habits, same addiction
same results?
Look I get it, the knee doesn't look good, that's why we're here discussing the case
but I can say after seeing all the videos, learning what Floyd was doing that day, his tendencies, all of it, there is no way I am sending the Police officer to jail for murder
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:44 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I guess you have no explanation as to how his hypopharynx was compressed from both sides but not his carotid arteries?
What about his carotid arteries? They would have compressed prior to any airway compression.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:44 pm to LSU2ALA
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It’s like if someone is driving 100 mph towards a brick wall with no safety equipment meaning to commit suicide and they are shot before they hit, then the bullet is what killed him and the one who shot has culpability.
Except in this case there is no clear bullet.
Innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, and all those other annoying legal concepts that keeps people from being railroaded by emotional responses instead of facts.
Some people here however want to ignore this basic legal principle.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:46 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Look at this picture and tell me how he’s only compressing one side of the neck.
the knee appears to be only on one side of the neck. :)
but apparently there are photos and video showing the knee to the back and not the neck...so we have a question of "what are we seeing?"
it's all about angles
This is the same photo people in the media were ticked off about Chauvin's hands in his pockets..
as you can see by looking very closely, he had black gloves on...
so, the point is, what you think you see, isn't always the full story
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:48 pm to Centinel
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Innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, and all those other annoying legal concepts that keeps people from being railroaded by emotional responses instead of facts.
I agree with this. I have only read reports and don’t have an opinion if he’s guilty or not. I just think the idea that he would have died later is irrelevant. The question is would he have died at that time absent the knee. If the answer is provable as yes, then Chauvin has a problem. The other factors don’t matter if Chauvin was one necessary factor. Was he though? I can’t say.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:49 pm to ApexTiger
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so, the point is, what you think you see, isn't always the full story
The extends to all faucets of a case - including the autopsy, toxicology, so on and so forth.
Anybody who think they can solve the case on an Internet forum is full of shite - the actual experts in this case will not agree and it doesn’t mean that half of them are lying.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:51 pm to LSU2ALA
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I agree with this. I have only read reports and don’t have an opinion if he’s guilty or not. I just think the idea that he would have died later is irrelevant. The question is would he have died at that time absent the knee. If the answer is provable as yes, then Chauvin has a problem. The other factors don’t matter if Chauvin was one necessary factor. Was he though? I can’t say.
as others had said... the officers coming up and wanting to have a chat caused Floyd to pop all the pills he just bought
so the better question to ask is not "would he have died if there were no interaction with police" but rather "would he have still died if the officers had never pulled him out of the car"
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:52 pm to Centinel
They probably can’t prove ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ I’m wondering if a lesser charge will result in mass riots. Not sure what the sentencing guidelines would be for a lesser charge but it probably won’t be enough to satisfy the rioters.
If a lesser charge or acquitted it would seem the jurors would need to go into some kind of witness protection program. I don’t believe it’s possible for them to remain anonymous.
If a lesser charge or acquitted it would seem the jurors would need to go into some kind of witness protection program. I don’t believe it’s possible for them to remain anonymous.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:54 pm to J Hendrix
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Is it the general consensus of the board that had Floyd not encountered the police that day that he would have probably died later that night from an overdose?
My thoughts are before any negative thing happening, the cops asked GF if he was on anything. If he simply would have said yes, and they knew, EMS would have been there. Instead, he said no, then resisted officers. They asked him many times. It was to figure out what to do, but Floyd resisted.
Would GF be spending life in prison if alive? Repeat offender, resisting, fighting law enforcement, passing fake note, etc? I say yes.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:55 pm to J Hendrix
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I’m wondering if a lesser charge will result in mass riots
Probably. But unless you live in an urban blue city, you really don't have anything to worry about.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:56 pm to Yellerhammer5
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What about his carotid arteries? They would have compressed prior to any airway compression.
Correct. Which the prosecutions expert the other day said takes 10 seconds max to render someone unconscious if the carotid arteries are compressed from both sides.
So how did he die of asphyxiation because of compression of the hypopharynx without going unconscious from compression of his carotid arteries first?
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 4/8/21 at 7:56 pm to Centinel
Does anyone have the witness list that got leaked? I watched most of the selection, but I'd like to look into them. Also would like to look at the witnesses.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:02 pm to Yellerhammer5
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he extends to all faucets of a case - including the autopsy, toxicology, so on and so forth.
Anybody who think they can solve the case on an Internet forum is full of shite - the actual experts in this case will not agree and it doesn’t mean that half of them are lying.
Correct but that so called expert late the day came off prideful
trust the science right?
yeah, that's not going too well...
I base "what really happened" on what my eyes see and my ears hear in the 3 police videos...
It wasn't murder
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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So how did he die of asphyxiation because of compression of the hypopharynx without going unconscious from compression of his carotid arteries first?
The pulmonologist said he died of compression of the hypopharynx because he is a pulmonologist. If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. He also doesn’t know what a cause of death is, and probably puts “hypoxia” on all his death certificates much to the consternation of his local ME’s.
The medical examiner, who is better equipped to answer these questions, contributed “neck compression” and will be testifying tomorrow.
I never said I agreed with everything the pulmonologist said. However, I do agree that you can have significant compression of the airway without evidence of injury and that compressing the back of the neck in the manner that Chauvin did could potentially compress the airway.
Neck veins compress at about four pounds, the carotids at 11 pounds, the trachea at ~30, and the vertebrals at ~60.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:05 pm to ApexTiger
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This is the same photo people in the media were ticked off about Chauvin's hands in his pockets..
as you can see by looking very closely, he had black gloves on...
Holy shite, you're right. Until I just read that I thought his hand was in his pocket but after looking you can see his curled fingers. Wow.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:07 pm to ApexTiger
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Correct but that so called expert late the day came off prideful
Most people who put themselves out there as an expert witness are going to have these types of personalities. The average Joe MD would rather go about his day without involving himself in the trial of the decade.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:07 pm to J Hendrix
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Is it the general consensus of the board that had Floyd not encountered the police that day that he would have probably died later that night from an overdose?
He may not have died at all that day had he not:
A. committed a crime
B. resisted arrest
C. Ingested the amount and type of drugs he had
D. Had numerous preexisting health conditions (including COVID)
E. Exhibited signs and symptoms of EX-DS which is deadly
He also could've easily overdosed, as he had done multiple times in the very recent past.
The problem lies with PROVING Chauvin solely caused his death and should be held responsible personally. So far, nothing has proven that he did beyond any sort of reasonable doubt.
It serves to remind the likes of AMS and those that formed their opinions off the first video released - Chauvin is innocent until PROVEN guilty.
There has been absolutely nothing to prove his guilt, and only more doubt of his guilt raised.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:10 pm to AMS
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the knee doesnt have to be the only cause
Literally, yes it does
Without the knee, how is Chauvin guilty of ANYTHING?
Explain that one to me please.
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