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Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:26 pm to barry
He is going to be a difference maker
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:10 pm to MOT
They have those stats and one of which is barreled balls for hard contact. Avg exit velo for the MLB last year was 89.1. Avg max exit velo was 110.5. Barreled ball % was 9% on average, which ties directly to max velo. Regardless, if Crews is putting up those numbers then he is elite.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:18 pm to barry
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Thanks for everyone mansplaining exit velo. This is a would be first round draft pick, so yea, I’m not as worried about him hitting.
You realize that having an exit velo of 111 mph on live pitching is elite, even for MLB, much less a 19 year old.
I appreciate all of you. I'm a long time Baseball season ticket holder and fan but I'm frickin Baseball Illiterate.
I barely know why we shift or do hit and runs.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:32 pm to mikelbr
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I barely know why we [quote]do hit and runs
Don't feel bad. Few of us have any idea why Coach calls so many hit and runs.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 4:35 am to barry
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Thanks for everyone mansplaining exit velo. This is a would be first round draft pick, so yea, I’m not as worried about him hitting.
You realize that having an exit velo of 111 mph on live pitching is elite, even for MLB, much less a 19 year old.
I wasn't trying to "mansplain" anything to you. I know you know what it is, as well as I do. All I did was throw in my two cents about how I think of exit velocity. It means nothing. Yes, I DO understand it is "elite" as far as exit velo goes. But how far he hits it depends on how well he times actual pitching.
I'm sure you already know this, as well, but you don't have to swing real hard, if the pitcher throws hard, to have a pretty high exit velocity. It's the least important metric, in my humble opinion.
You throw out there that he's a would-be first round pick, but many people said the same thing about Hampton, last year, and he looked pretty over matched throughout the scrimmages and into the season. I know people will make excuses for Hampton missing time due to football, but I also heard that scouts were cooling on Crews because of contact issues heading into the draft.
All of this is to say, pardon me if I'm more cautiously optimistic than you might be.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 6:38 am to Metaloctopus
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I'm sure you already know this, as well, but you don't have to swing real hard, if the pitcher throws hard, to have a pretty high exit velocity. It's the least important metric, in my humble opinion.
Not here to argue the relevance of EV, but this simply isn't true. Per Dr. Alan Nathan, 1 mph pitch = 0.2 mph exit= 1 ft distance. 1 mph bat = 1.2 mph exit= 6 ft distance.
~85% of EV is attributable to bat speed. To put it into perspective, in 2012, Giancarlo Stanton hit a bomb off of Jamie Moyer. The ball measured at 438ft (only bc it was stopped by the scoreboard), and had an EV of 122.4. The pitch was thrown at a whopping 66.4 mph.
We are getting off track, but to me EV is an easily measurable metric for bat speed and barrel contact, and thus the swing and mechanics in general.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 7:07 am to texastigger
Posted on 1/23/21 at 7:41 am to texastigger
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Not here to argue the relevance of EV, but this simply isn't true. Per Dr. Alan Nathan, 1 mph pitch = 0.2 mph exit= 1 ft distance. 1 mph bat = 1.2 mph exit= 6 ft distance.
~85% of EV is attributable to bat speed. To put it into perspective, in 2012, Giancarlo Stanton hit a bomb off of Jamie Moyer. The ball measured at 438ft (only bc it was stopped by the scoreboard), and had an EV of 122.4. The pitch was thrown at a whopping 66.4 mph.
We are getting off track, but to me EV is an easily measurable metric for bat speed and barrel contact, and thus the swing and mechanics in general.
You say you aren't here to argue, and yet you not only argued, you missed the entire point of what I said.
I said you don't have to swing real hard if the pitcher throws hard. You then decided it was relevant to give an example of a 1mph pitch. Afterwards, you told me that Giancarlo Stanton hit a ball realy hard off of Jamie Moyer to somehow prove a point. Giancarlo Stanton, who is perhaps the strongest man in baseball, with one of the most violent swings, is your example... I want you to stop for a minute and think about that one...
I said "you don't have to swing real hard if the pitcher throws hard", and I also made a point it's all about timing. Perfect contact (barreling it up) does not equal swinging hard. You COULD do both, but it isn't always necessary. You, on the other hand, use the softest tossing pitcher you can think of to offset my argument, but proceed to use Stanton, who swings as hard as anyone, in the same example.
Rafael Palmeiro, just to name someone off the top of my head, used to have the easiest, non aggressive swing in the world. He hit over 500 homers. He had the timing and the swing path, and it resulted in lots of home runs.
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We are getting off track, but to me EV is an easily measurable metric for bat speed and barrel contact, and thus the swing and mechanics in general.
It's a metric that only tells you how hard a ball is hit WHEN the hitter makes solid contact. It does not assure that he will square it up on any consistent basis. That's number 1: But, also, I didn't say that high exit velocity wasn't an indication of solid contact. That is what puzzles me the most about your last paragraph. I merely pointed out that you don't have to try to swing out of your shoes, if you allow the pitcher to provide the velocity and simply time your swings well, which, ultimately, is what it all comes down to. If the exit velocity is consistently high, THEN that tells you something about the quality of the hitter. But you don't need a radar gun to recognize quality contact. That's why the metric is useless, to me. Hayden Travinski hits the ball really hard in practice. I can't remember if he even had a hit in a game. Exit velo is just something for people to fawn over like pitchers who throw 100 MPH, but couldn't hit the ocean standing on a surf board.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 7:45 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 7:44 am to lsufball19
That light saber bat he used was awesome
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:41 am to Metaloctopus
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It's a metric that only tells you how hard a ball is hit WHEN the hitter makes solid contact. It does not assure that he will square it up on any consistent basis. That's number 1: But, also, I didn't say that high exit velocity wasn't an indication of solid contact. That is what puzzles me the most about your last paragraph. I merely pointed out that you don't have to try to swing out of your shoes, if you allow the pitcher to provide the velocity and simply time your swings well, which, ultimately, is what it all comes down to. If the exit velocity is consistently high, THEN that tells you something about the quality of the hitter. But you don't need a radar gun to recognize quality contact. That's why the metric is useless, to me. Hayden Travinski hits the ball really hard in practice. I can't remember if he even had a hit in a game. Exit velo is just something for people to fawn over like pitchers who throw 100 MPH, but couldn't hit the ocean standing on a surf board.
I agree with 95% of what you are saying with the exception of the importance of pitch speed - it matters but not that much, hence the example. And yes, you definitely don't need a radar gun to gauge quality contact. In my experience, EV is a tool that a hitter can utilize to get instant feedback on a variety of metrics (in a training environment), which may or may not carry over to the game.
I am fortunate enough to be around some very elite hitting coaches almost every day with my son, and they always say execute the swing (i.e. barrel the ball) and the results will come, which is really common sense. The kids and pros we are around just use EV to measure their execution as it is easy for them to look at the metric instantly at our facilty.
Ultimately if a kid has a high EV it means they are doing something right with their mechanics. Now, if they don't execute in a game then that's on the kid and the coach...
Next time I'm in BR we'll have to meet up and discuss over a beer or two.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:47 am to Metaloctopus
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This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:04 am to TheWalkoff
I think you guys are actually saying the same thing, but different ways.
In short, elite EV in a practice setting is great only if it can be replicated consistently in games throughout a 4-month season against a wide variety of pitch types. Elite EV in a practice setting is an exciting data point for what could be, not what necessarily will be.
In short, elite EV in a practice setting is great only if it can be replicated consistently in games throughout a 4-month season against a wide variety of pitch types. Elite EV in a practice setting is an exciting data point for what could be, not what necessarily will be.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:29 pm to RidiculousHype
I cannot grasp the disdain for a measurement like exit velo.
It’s an output that happens on every batted ball. And since higher exit velo correlates with better batted ball outcomes, it’s only reasonable to measure it and find ways to improve it.
There are dozens of little actions and decisions that go into a baseball swing. There are hundreds of tweaks that can be made to improve bat speed and exit velocity.
Not using all the available tools and information available to develop players would be moronic.
It’s an output that happens on every batted ball. And since higher exit velo correlates with better batted ball outcomes, it’s only reasonable to measure it and find ways to improve it.
There are dozens of little actions and decisions that go into a baseball swing. There are hundreds of tweaks that can be made to improve bat speed and exit velocity.
Not using all the available tools and information available to develop players would be moronic.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:02 pm to ProjectP2294
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I cannot grasp the disdain for a measurement like exit velo.
I think a lot of the disdain you see are from people who lump exit velocity in with things like swing trajectory and thinking of it as another 3 true outcomes type analytic.
While that couldn’t be further from the truth.
That’s my theory anyway because I can’t think of any other reason to have any disdain for exit velo
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:19 pm to barry
This team is loaded. The issue is experience the rest of the league. My thought is they will struggle by LSU standards but by the time the SEC Tournament rolls around, these freshmen are now sophomores and by Omaha, look out. They will be freaking dominant. Of course all of this is dependent on staying healthy.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:30 pm to Tiger1988
Or, by SEC time, the rest of the league will have enough tape on them to be able to take advantage of weaknesses in their game. It's the same with every new player.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:33 pm to ScubaTiger
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Or, by SEC time, the rest of the league will have enough tape on them to be able to take advantage of weaknesses in their game. It's the same with every new player.
That’s why I said by late in the year. They will be more experienced and able to adjust. Pitching will be starting to get tired and hitters will get the tape on them.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 2:38 pm to bstew3006
I’d anyone downvotes your picture they should be banned for life
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 2:38 pm
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