re: Do what is necessary to hire Mawae to take over this OLine fiasco.

Doesn't he have a daughter on the swim team or something at ASU. Maybe he wants to enjoy being able to watch his children at this time in his life. Plus he gets a little bit of coaching experience that some people on this board feel he definitely needs at the same time. Then he can come here and use that lifetime of being in the trenches and pass it on to some young Tigers.

What happens when he goes out and gets true tackles at Arizona State?

What happens when he develops them and relates to them?

What happens when he walks into mother’s living room with a Hall of Fame jacket on and says I have been there and I did it?

Give me a break man!

I have a lot of respect for Kevin Mawae and would love to have him on the staff but I dont know how good his coaching skills are. My guess is you dont either.

Then who? He’s getting hired by Arizona State as OL coach. He proved enough as an analyst.

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Fiasco is a strong word for losing a recruit from Virginia. Was losing Wiggins to Clemson also a firable fiasco?

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What about not getting Foreman this year and Thibodeaux last year?

Very inconsistent applications of metrics/expectations/goalposts.

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But what happens when he can't actually coach the position.

What happens when the parents say who have you gotten in the nfl?

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That's why we should get Kevin on staff, at "future coach" pay and both evaluate him on those things and start prepping him to be an on-the-field coach AND off-campus recruiter.

Mawae SHOULD be LSU's OL coach...
A) someday
B) If verified he can coach and recruit.

IF we were to hire an OC that has OL coach experience (Grimes, Pittman, Crawford, etc.). Then we could forego that verification.

But we are NOT. Our focus is on a passing, read based, WR coach OC. Not a RGC and/OL background.

To boot, the idea that Cregg sucks is just false. No one has posted statistics that says development is stalled, performance is declining, and that recruiting is that much worse than in recent years. However, others and myself, have posted facts that...
A) Recruiting is on par historically, needs to improve, but is slightly better (not enough) than the last 2-7 years. And, when's the last time we had draftable guys choose to return? En masse? That's recruiting also. That says something about Cregg too (not sure how much though- lots of influences other than Cregg involved there).
B) Pass protection has improved and is on par with experience. If we improve the recruiting this will get better (*COUGH* Dellinger, Dumervil).
C) Run game sucks arse, OL IS part of that. But not wholly, or IMHO majority.
D) Development is somewhere between good and quite good. One poster wanted Cregg fired because Dellinger isn't getting playing time. Many posters wrote Dare off (he's a decent LT). We're putting guys in the NFL... through the draft. Charles went from being a struggling OG to a starting (and NFL drafted) LT. We replaced 4 on the OL and didn't really take a step back in pass protection metrics.

So if you want him fired.... give me some facts that point to overall poor performance in our OL, present (development) and future (recruiting). Furthermore, not only should we not be hiring un-verified coaches we shouldn't be firing coaches that are getting it done. Maybe not getting it done as well as we or Orgeron want, but we're talking about 3 years of coaching and 2 years of recruiting where we have taken steps, maybe baby steps, but steps forward.

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Both need a dominant OLine in this conference.

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yes, true.

But you are limited on coaches. There's overlap always. If your OC has OL experience your OL coach can be less experienced, or even an experiment.

We're not going that route. We could experiment with PGC and/or WR coaches with the OC(s) we're after. But not OL.

That's my point. You don't want to have zero OL coaching experience on your staff.

We can’t hire Mawae, having no coaching experience, he can’t be rated higher than a 3 star

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