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re: General security camera discussion (was "Unifi Protect security cameras")

Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:25 pm to
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I thought so.


What's funny about it is over the weekend, I almost posted a thread on here with the title, "What I've learned on the Tech Board" with the only text being "Korkstand is WAY smarter than me."
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:50 pm to
No I'm pretty dumb, I just read a lot about some specific things and then I talk about those things all the time.

Posted by BabySam
FL
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:29 pm to
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I still want my wife to let me put an $1800 PTZ camera with 22x optical zoom on my house. She’s still balking.


That fricker is pretty phenomenal! I just dont understand how ubiquiti doesnt have the patrol function and guard point like the lower lines cameras.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:22 pm to
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I just dont understand how ubiquiti doesnt have the patrol function and guard point like the lower lines cameras.
Yeah that thing has been out for way too long to not have these critical features. It's not even a complete product without patrol, yet that camera is the product that smacks you in the face when you visit the store. And not just the Protect section of the store, I mean the home page of the entire Ubiquiti store.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:20 am to
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Sounds like you're looking for more reasons to justify the new NVR.


Technically, MY WIFE wants to add these features. Personally, I'm not looking forward to crawling around the attic again running drops.

Seriously tho, I think she's intrigued by some of the motion tracking cameras that reolink has (for simplicity and budgetary reasons (mainly not starting over from scratch) we're staying in that ecosystem). I'm not opposed to motion tracking cams, but it would necessitate the 16 channel NVR (I'm ok with that) and I would have to rethink the locations of some the rest of our cameras (which is OK too). Heck, while I'm at it, I might as well put up a few more IR spot lights. I've already got 1 installed and the power supply for it is WAY undersized....
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 9:54 am to
So after having two nights with ton of false motion alerts due to a stray spider web in front of our main camera, I'm think personal/vehicle detection is pretty important.
This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 9:56 am
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:13 am to
Hah yeah spiders are the worst. If you have external IR floods though you can disable the onboard IR and the camera probably won't even see the webs at night.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:24 pm to
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So, I'm in a bit of a dilemma. Do I just keep what I have and live without the extra bells and whistles like I have the past couple of years, or do I spring for a new NVR that gives me P&V detection? I'm currently maxed out using 8 of the 8 channels on my NVR. While that's fine, I'm also feeling limited by the 2TB storage space (about 4 days worth of recordings.) Do I spring for the 16 channel version? (There are 1 or 2 spots where I feel I could add additional cameras. Should upgrade a hard drive storage space? Jump into blue iris? FWIW I like the reolink ecosystem and have basically had zero problems with it since I installed it.


About 18 months ago we started a remodel at our house. For that period of time, my truck has been parked in our driveway (we had a lot of extraneous crap from the remodel hanging around. With a little warmup in the weather, I endeavored to get the garage to a state where I could park the truck inside. I managed to get rid of and move enough stuff that I was successful. None too soon. The creepers were back again last night going thur cars and even got in a couple of garages that had man doors. We caught the guy on our cams but when the flood light came on, he stay away from our house.

I ordered a new 16 channel NVR with person and vehicle detection this afternoon. More cams to follow as soon as I can figure out what I want/need...
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:12 am to
The New NVR got here last night. I should have ordered it from the beginning. Used the pet detection feature to watch the neighbors cat patrol the outside of my house at 3:30 Am...
Posted by BabySam
FL
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:15 pm to
Did you go with reolink? I have an original duo cam and have been putting off swapping it out on front of house for wider fov than current cam…of course they have the newer duo 2 with 180degree and that seems smart for perimeter…and also intrigued about the newest trackmix…
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:52 pm to
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Did you go with reolink?


Yes, I did. I really like the upgraded NVR interface.

I'm testing the vehicle and person detection and I've got the driveway cam set up to alarm when the kid get home from school here in a few mins.

My next project now (paging Korkstand) is figuring our some solar charged, battery operated IR illuminators for my back fence...
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 5:36 pm to
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My next project now (paging Korkstand) is figuring our some solar charged, battery operated IR illuminators for my back fence...


If possible I would run some landscape wire and put up some 12V ones. Battery/solar would be pretty big and bulky if it's any significant wattage and runs all night.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 10:35 pm to
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If possible I would run some landscape wire and put up some 12V ones.


The easy way? What's the fun in that?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:06 am to
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If possible I would run some landscape wire and put up some 12V ones. Battery/solar would be pretty big and bulky if it's any significant wattage and runs all night.



I think it's more about balancing the exposure on the camera. I used to have a IR illuminator, but no camera on the SE corner of my house. However, I upgraded a camera in another location and recycled that camera to the spot. I have two things going on in this location. 1). The back fence is pretty far and it faces my back neighbors house. They're higher than we are and they keep their lights on most of the night. There is also a fairly large bush in that location and it makes an IR hot spot in the camera's exposure. So those things together make the back corner of the yard pretty dark. So issue #2 is really about balancing exposures than actually getting IR light to that part of the yard. FWIW, I still have the 12v power lead that I ran to the IR illuminator I used to have installed there. What I don't have is a way to effectively get that over my concrete patio to run it out to where it would be useful. What I'm honestly think about doing is getting some cheap solar path lights and removing the LED from them and replacing it with a IR LED.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 1:20 am to
Hard to make suggestions without a map/diagram/satview of the layout and/or a sample image, but I think the solar stuff will be futile, especially if you try to use cheap solar path lights. Let's put some rough figures to it...

Those path lights have like a 3x3 inch solar panel, so let's round up to 10 square inches. The high noon sun produces about 100 watts per square foot, so 10/144 * 100 ~= 7 watts hitting the panel tops. I think 20% efficiency is being generous so that's 1.4 watts being produced max. Over the course of ~12 hours of varying sun I would expect it to average about half that output (though probably much less), so we're looking at about 8 watt-hours collected per day max.

The cheap ones I looked at had less than 2 watt-hours worth of battery though, so that shows how generous I was with my estimates (plus I didn't bother with charge efficiency). Anyway let's go with 8 watt-hours produced by the panel. That has to last 10 or 12 hours, so you can only use less than 1 watt. Given that most of the cheap 12v IR illuminators operate at about 12 watts, you'd need bare minimum 12 of those little path lights to do what 1 12V wired one does, or if the size of the batteries are any indication you'd really need more like 50 of them.

You can give it a shot, but that's what I would expect.

If you can't get wire out to the fence, then I would try a long-range illuminator mounted next to the camera. Failing that it's time to try a different camera, probably from a different manufacturer. Reolink is probably the absolute best as far as value, but they are just not good at night and that's where the corner-cutting really shows. I don't care that The Hook Up Rob creams his pants over them, cameras at the next step up in price point perform much better in less-than-ideal lighting, and they probably have more options for further tuning the image. There are plenty of models from hik/dahua/unv/etc with their respective "starlight" low light performance sensors that probably cost less and will perform better than a low end reolink plus whatever lighting you try to rig up.


Or you could eliminate the bush.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:43 pm to
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Or you could eliminate the bush.


The bush got a significant hair cut. I had 12v at that spot from the IR illuminator that I used to have there. The Illuminator got moved to a more strategic location near the front of the house. So solve the problem, I ended up recycling one of the old 4mp cams that I had eliminated from the system because of upgrades at other locations. This camera has a slight crack in the lens so it always had a bit of a "ghost" on it day/night. I repositioned it to that location, powered it with the existing 12v feed and aimed it at the dark corner. A camera feed pointing at that spot would have basically been worthless, but as an illuminator I think it will work perfectly. We'll see tonight after the sun goes down.

And I was "joking" about the path lights, although, I do have a bunch of IR leds lying around from a Arduino remote control hack (I built a remote control to randomly fire the fog machine for Halloween). I would be curious to see how much "light" they put off if I did a swap. But it would be more of a "what if" project than a real solution.

Eta: I think this solution is going to work. I want to switch the original IR illuminator back to this spot and move the recycled camera to the front of the house. It's only about 20-25 feet to the side of my neighbors house in the front, but closer to 60-70 in the rear.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 9:52 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:59 pm to
SO 16 pages is a lot to go through.

I am in need of a simple in home system that I can view remotely from my phone for when we have the babysitter over.

I am thinking 3-4 cameras at the most and maybe a 48 hrs of video storage.

Would Wyze be a good option for this or are there similarly prices options that would be better suited?

TIA
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28745 posts
Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:23 pm to
Wyze would work but personally I would probably go with the Reolink pan-tilt cameras which are priced similarly to Wyze. They both take sd cards for on-board storage with no monthly fees (double-check me) and two-way audio, but for me Reolink gets the nod because they have a much broader range of cameras in case you want to expand your system with an NVR and exterior cameras.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:25 pm to
Appreciate the info.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3816 posts
Posted on 4/9/23 at 12:18 am to
What’s the feelings on Reolink vs Lorex? I have a UniFi network system but don’t see myself going into their ecosystem for cameras.

I currently have an LaView system NVR and 4 cameras. The LaView system and app sucks. I could never get the alerts at all or motion detection to work well. Scrolling video timelines is basically useless. The NVR has a constant on fan that’s annoying as well, but not sure if that’s normal.

Looking to upgrade and buddy is recommending Lorex. Their “Fusion” line allows for wired and WiFi cameras, which may be useful. All my cameras are wired, but I could integrate a wireless one for my shop.
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