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re: If you were a black American you'd be scared too....facts don't lie!!

Posted on 9/5/20 at 5:28 pm to
Posted by lammo
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 5:28 pm to
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Posted by HughsWorkPhone
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 5:32 pm to
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First we need to recognize the disproportionate number of unarmed black Americans being killed every year in America compared to white/other ethnicities


5.6% of black suspects killed were unarmed.

5.9% of white suspects killed were unarmed
Posted by zeebo
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 6:02 pm to
White people are more likely to get killed by cops than blacks. But we don’t identify with them. We say “Play stupid games...
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 6:06 pm to
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Why do you think I'm using their exaggerated BS? Because even with their bogus data we can see that law enforcement isn't the biggest concern for your well being if you're a black American.



back

I was just making sure the lefties in the thread knew what you were doing

and I hate politifact, another ironically named left wing spin machine
Posted by BigJim
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 6:19 pm to
Now add in that 48 police officers were murdered in the line of duty (not counting accidents)
FBI stats

Now that add in that there are about 800,000 police officers
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So chance of being killed by police in a year if you are Black 0.00008% (you lose two zeros because I converted to a %)


Chance of being killed in a year if you are a cop (48/800,000) = 0.006%

Which means cops are 75 times more likely to be killed then Blacks are likely to be killed by a cop in a year.

Now that is killed by either a white or black person. And neither is particularly likely.

But no one wants to put these numbers in context. Cops are 75x more like to be killed than kill. Explains a little about why they may not hesitate to shoot in some circumstances.


Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:02 pm to
This is all BS. Just got back from Publix and a solid 60% of the packed store were black people. Last night (Friday) we went at the last minute trying to find a restaurant. First one was a Seafood and no go. Jam packed with happy black seafood eaters. Walked across street to Friday's which I wasn't sorry to say the wait was an hour. A beer drinking, hamburger steak loving crowd of 50/50 whites and blacks. Went to Jayson's deli and got a salad. Mostly whites. And walked right in. Guess black folks ain't wasting a Friday night on a salad. My Panera Bread coffee AM's are at least 50%. Because of the bakery goods I suppose. Home depot is close to 70% black and it's a mob scene daily.

I would venture to say not one black person alive today in the state of Georgia has ever not went out due to fear of the police shooting them unless they have a felony warrent and intend to pull a fight the law thing if stopped. And Georgia has the largest black pop in America so if it isn't here, where are all these fearful blacks. THEY DON'T EXIST!
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:09 pm to
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I see the crap that police are slaughtering Black people everyday on facebook.. I always respond with..."The police are the least of your worries..It is the Black people in your own community".. I get the usual "You are a racist".. I even got one "You are a racist ofay" I had to look up what "ofay" meant.. noun Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. A contemptuous term used to refer to a white perso



Agents of the state killing unarmed people and mentally ill people is far more detrimental to civilized society than criminals killing people. The latter is a problem and is something the black community is going to have to answer to.....but the former is unacceptable if you believe in the state having the responsibility to guarantee its citizens due process. Unfortunately like most things in the US we have turned it into an issue of race when in fact it is a human rights issue. Anytime an agent of the state ends someone’s life ALL Americans should demand a plausible answer
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:19 pm to
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What an uninformed, uneducated person you sound like. Stop embarrassing yourself
I’m pretty damn sure that was sarcasm.

If not, then wow.


Not sarcasm at all. Cops are hunting black people then deposing of the bodies. Statistics don't lie. Half of the black population dies every day!!!




Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 7:37 pm to
      •   Black males age 18-35 years of age are only 1.8% of the U.S. population, yet have committed 52% of homicides from 1980-2008. Black males (all ages) are only 6% of the U.S. population, yet commit 46% of all violent crimes, and 50% of the gun homicides. If Blacks were removed from the equation, the U.S. gun homicide rate would be equal to Great Britain's, who have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world. 
         •   The Black homicide rate is 17 per 100,000, a rate over 9x that of the White rate, and comparable to some of those most murderous countries in the world. If the homicide rate for the U.S. were the White-only rate, the homicide rate would drop 84%, making the U.S. rate comparable to European countries. 
         •   According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 2018 survey of criminal victimization, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between Blacks and Whites last year, including White-on-Black and Black-on-White attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and Whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.
         •   Blacks constitute 13% of the U.S. population, but represent 27% of all criminal activity in the U.S.
         •   According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting for 2018, of the homicide victims for whom race was known, 53.3% were Black, 43.8% were White and 2.8% were of other races. In cases where the race of the offender was known, 54.9% were Black, 42.4% were White, and 2.7% were of other races.
         •   Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent. This means that a Black is 27 times more likely to attack a White person than vice versa.
         •   For each one standard deviation increase in proportion of Black population, firearm homicide rate is increased by 82.8%. Therefore, the U.S. has a Black problem, not a gun or violent crime problem. When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. 
         •   40% of gun crime occurs in just three cities: 596 (10%) - St Louis, MO, 53 (11%) - Detroit, MI, and 1,527 (27%) - Chicago, IL.
         •   Murder is the leading cause of death for Black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are other Black men 93 percent of the time. 
         •   Black males between 16-35 years of age are only 2.0% of the population, yet commit 72% of the street crime in America.
         •   The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black.
         •   If New York City were all White, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all-White Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
         •   Every year, approximately 6,000 blacks are murdered. This is a number greater than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 12 percent of the national population. Blacks of all ages are killed at six times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. That black death-by-homicide rate is a function of the black crime rate. The national rate of homicides committed by blacks is eight times that of whites and Hispanics combined. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at 10 times the rate of white and Hispanic male teens combined.
         •   Homicide is not the only crime that is vastly racially disproportionate. New York City is representative of other crime spreading across the country. Blacks are 23 percent of New York's population, but they commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime, according to the victims of, and witnesses to, those crimes. Whites are 33 percent of the New York City's population, but they commit less than 2 percent of all shootings, 4 percent of all robberies, and 5 percent of all violent crime.
         •   The United States is third in murders throughout the world, but if you omit just five Black cities (Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, and New Orleans) from the equation, then the United States is fourth from the bottom.
         •   Black serial killers have comprised over half of documented serial killers since the dawn of the 21st century at 56 percent, making up a total of 40 percent in years dating back to 1900. Blacks constituted 44% of the known serial killers during the 1995-2004 period and 38.2% of all multiple murderers (serial, mass, and spree combined) during 1976-1998 period. During the 2000-2010 decade, 62% of serial killers were Black.
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Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 8:11 pm to
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Anytime an agent of the state ends someone’s life ALL Americans should demand a plausible answer


I agree with this. The problem is the enormous number of dumbasses who won’t accept ANY answer when the dead guy is black, regardless of the circumstances.
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 9:23 pm to
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I agree with this. The problem is the enormous number of dumbasses who won’t accept ANY answer when the dead guy is black, regardless of the circumstances.


A lot of truth here.....and there is no doubt that the press sensationalizes every situation so they can sell more shite. And politicians do the same for votes. And in some cases the police and prosecutors don’t help themselves or the situation at all. That is our fault because we focus on the politicians and the media and do not demand accountability when warranted......and anytime the state ends someone’s life there should be total transparency and no doubt the state had no choice. If there is doubt the pressure should be to NOT shoot. There should NEVER be a case of anyone in handcuffs being choked to death.....that is a line in the sand we should not allow the state to cross. If the person gets up to run handcuffed he ain’t getting far....if he is thrashing around on the ground he will either get tired or kill himself and stop.....either way the state is not putting itself in a position to be second guessed.

The state should have state of the art video and audio technology to protect themselves and the public....and if there is a period during the confrontation when that video or audio fails, someone needs to answer to that. They should at least be fired.....regardless of why it failed. I work in an industry where a minor mistake costs you you’re job and employability in the industry....one mistake that would be meaningless in any other industry....because the risks are not worth it....and guess what? It almost never happens.....because policies and procedures are taken seriously and there is no mulligans, no matter how innocent the mistake is.

Finally I wonder about the psychological damage suffered by cops when they do take a life......even when warranted......it is hard on the cop also. We don’t pay nearly enough attention to that.....cause it don’t sell shite and it don’t get votes
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 9:40 pm to
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I work in an industry where a minor mistake costs you you’re job and employability in the industry....one mistake that would be meaningless in any other industry....because the risks are not worth it....and guess what? It almost never happens.....because policies and procedures are taken seriously and there is no mulligans, no matter how innocent the mistake is.


Are these decision made in seconds and are you in fear for your life while making them?

Because if not, it's a pretty shitty analogy. Not to mention you probably make 2-3x what a street cop makes.

quote:

no doubt the state had no choice


Again, I hope you aren't using the "instant replay" worldview. That is a cop must make the very best decision in split seconds while citizens get to sit in the comfort of their homes and watch the video over and over again.

Was the cop in reasonable fear for his life or the life of others? Is far better standard even if not perfect.
Posted by s2
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Posted on 9/5/20 at 10:30 pm to
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