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re: The trope Confederates were traitors is bullshite
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:39 pm to More&Les
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:39 pm to More&Les
quote:Once they seceded, Fort Sumter was no longer a US fort. The Confederacy did not claim ownership of any of the Northern forts that their tax dollars had helped to build before secession.
the Confederates attack the U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter.
Lincoln, needed an excuse for war and forced the issue with his aggression at attempting to resupply a fort that in reality was no longer under his command. Like I said, the Confederacy had a right to defend itself.
The north had managed to turn each dollar earned by the South into a forty cent profit for the North. THIS was the primary reason for the secession. They were sick and tired of being raped financially by the North. The North could not give up it's good deal for itself and decided that the South would not be allowed to escape from their abuse. They forced their will upon the South. The South just wanted to chart their own future without being robbed constantly by the North.
As to slavery, the North, in an effort to keep the South from secession even offered up an amendment to the Constitution that would have enshrined slavery forever. They could care less about slavery. They wanted their forty cents out of every dollar generated by the South to continue, no matter how much the South detested it.
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:02 pm to Paul Maul number 37
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Once they seceded, Fort Sumter was no longer a US fort. The Confederacy did not claim ownership of any of the Northern forts that their tax dollars had helped to build before secession.
That's total bullshite, the Confederacy's unilateral decision to claim their own sovereignty didn't give them the rights over federal Property and troops.
Moreover South Carolina signed Fort Sumter over to the federal government like thirty years prior, they had no legitimate claim on the fort or the soldiers within.
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Lincoln, needed an excuse for war and forced the issue with his aggression at attempting to resupply a fort that in reality was no longer under his command. Like I said, the Confederacy had a right to defend itself.
So the Union Troops stationed there long before there was a Confederacy were just shite out of luck?
I mean, I know Obama and Hillary abandoned our troops in Bengazi but that hasn't always been the American way
The irrefutable facts remain, the CSA was an insurgency led primarily by former Democrats. Said former Democrats attacked the United States of America and started the Civil War, which they lost after the South was decimated and the United States of America, led by Republican Abraham Lincoln emancipated every Slave in the Continental United States and passed Ammendments granting Citizenship and voting rights to the former Slaves.
The Confederacy was a colossal fricking failure and it was rooted in an evil ideology that sought to preserve 400 years of abomination.
frick the CSA.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:35 am to Paul Maul number 37
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Once they seceded, Fort Sumter was no longer a US fort. The Confederacy did not claim ownership of any of the Northern forts that their tax dollars had helped to build before secession.
Lincoln, needed an excuse for war and forced the issue with his aggression at attempting to resupply a fort that in reality was no longer under his command. Like I said, the Confederacy had a right to defend itself.
The Confederacy sent a delegation to DC to negotiate the purchase of Federal properties in the southern states as well as negotiate the ownership of bullion in mints in New Orleans. Lincoln wouldn't negotiate because that would mean recognizing the sovereignty of the CSA. Seward tried some secret negotiations, but they didnt materialize anything meaningful. Lincoln was intent on war, and was convinced the southern populace was largely opposed to the secession.
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As to slavery, the North, in an effort to keep the South from secession even offered up an amendment to the Constitution that would have enshrined slavery forever. They could care less about slavery. They wanted their forty cents out of every dollar generated by the South to continue, no matter how much the South detested it.
The Corwin Amendement. It enshrined slavery where it existed, but allowed no expansion. The free states had no moral objections to slavery. It wasn't compatible with industrial manufacturing, and they had sold their slaves south, and made it illegal in their states.
The balance between free and slave states was a major issue for the slave states was because of the shifts in congressional power imbalance caused. If there were more free states taxes on exports were increasingly likely which would erode the slave states to little more than political colonies of the north.
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