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Choke Hold Ban
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:16 am
I get choked several times a week training Jiu Jitsu. On some days, it can be multiple times within an hour. Me nor any of the other students in my Academy have yet to die from it. Perhaps the problem is training? Just a thought.
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:17 am to DucTape
Time to fire up the tasers.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:19 am to DucTape
I did want to add, applying a choke with a baton is pretty nasty. There are wind chokes and blood chokes and should be differentiated.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:27 am to DucTape
quote:of course it is.
Perhaps the problem is training? Just a thought.
quote:Do you think the criminal should just be able to tap the forearm of the officer and the hold is released?
I get choked several times a week training Jiu Jitsu
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:27 am to DucTape
I also do alot of jiu jitsu, but here's a few thoughts:
The fact that we're choking each other at jiu jitsu has a few important differences. Mainly the facts that we're all generally healthy enough to participate and we're in a controlled environment. We also don't intentionally choke each other out. The rate of tapping to a choke vs. choking out is probably in the range of 99.9 to .1%
So you have 999 choke taps to 1 choke out (maybe even less), and the 1 choke out is in a safe environment with healthy individuals.
Now if we consider the circumstances when police would choke someone:
- Chaotic environments
- Unhealthy suspects (drugged, bad hearts, etc.)
- Choking them until they stop resisting, almost certainly implying a choke out rather than a tap out
If at jiu jitsu we did not accept taps and choked out partners every single time, I do believe even in a safe environment with healthy participants we would see accidental deaths just by playing the numbers.
For police interactions I don't think choking people to stop their resistance and gain their compliance is a viable solution unless deadly force is necessary.
I think it's worth considering the fact that if you put an officer in a choke, the officer would certainly believe that to be deadly force and would be justified in shooting in response. Or, if an officer saw a partner being choked out by a suspect, the officer would be justified in running up and shooting the suspect in the head. If we recognize the use of choking against officers as a deadly force attack, we should probably also recognize that the use of chokes by officers constitutes a potentially deadly use of force.
The fact that we're choking each other at jiu jitsu has a few important differences. Mainly the facts that we're all generally healthy enough to participate and we're in a controlled environment. We also don't intentionally choke each other out. The rate of tapping to a choke vs. choking out is probably in the range of 99.9 to .1%
So you have 999 choke taps to 1 choke out (maybe even less), and the 1 choke out is in a safe environment with healthy individuals.
Now if we consider the circumstances when police would choke someone:
- Chaotic environments
- Unhealthy suspects (drugged, bad hearts, etc.)
- Choking them until they stop resisting, almost certainly implying a choke out rather than a tap out
If at jiu jitsu we did not accept taps and choked out partners every single time, I do believe even in a safe environment with healthy participants we would see accidental deaths just by playing the numbers.
For police interactions I don't think choking people to stop their resistance and gain their compliance is a viable solution unless deadly force is necessary.
I think it's worth considering the fact that if you put an officer in a choke, the officer would certainly believe that to be deadly force and would be justified in shooting in response. Or, if an officer saw a partner being choked out by a suspect, the officer would be justified in running up and shooting the suspect in the head. If we recognize the use of choking against officers as a deadly force attack, we should probably also recognize that the use of chokes by officers constitutes a potentially deadly use of force.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:28 am to DucTape
Thanks Sean
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:33 am to DucTape
Choke holds are already banned. Next?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:38 am to DucTape
You apply a choke to finish a sparring round. Sometimes you feign the application of a choke you don't have proper leverage to apply to bait your opponent into another joint lock or choke that you have a higher chance of successful application or to get your self into a more dominant position. Position over submission.
Cops generally don't need to use chokeholds for control. Cops need to use effective control techniques. They are far less dangerous and are superior for achieving the desired result.
Cops generally don't need to use chokeholds for control. Cops need to use effective control techniques. They are far less dangerous and are superior for achieving the desired result.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 9:39 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:39 am to DucTape
quote:Oh you died, trust George. Just nobody was filming and thus no parades so, once you died, you got better.
I get choked several times a week training Jiu Jitsu. On some days, it can be multiple times within an hour. Me nor any of the other students in my Academy have yet to die from it. Perhaps the problem is training? Just a thought.
I'm sure this ban will work just as well or better than the gun bans, drug bans, etc.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:41 am to DucTape
do you have the same sensei as tick tock?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:57 am to DucTape
Check your choke privilege
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:29 am to DucTape
Does this apply to the MMA?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:59 am to DucTape
I saw an episode of TJ Hooker on MeTV or something and he was griping because the choke hold was banned in L.A. and it took away an effect tool of law enforcement. This episode was from 35-40 years ago. The choke hold has been banned for quite some time. Plus the choke hold is never taught and has never been taught to be executed with a knee to the back of the neck. This was an illegal and apparently premeditated act of one criminal, which may not have even been racially motivated.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:11 am to DucTape
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Choke Hold Ban
Hannity won’t be able to practice his MMA!
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:30 pm to DucTape
That’s because you probably are not on fentanyl and meth at the time !!
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:34 pm to DucTape
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I get choked several times a week training Jiu Jitsu. On some days, it can be multiple times within an hour. Me nor any of the other students in my Academy have yet to die from it. Perhaps the problem is training? Just a thought.
I'm thinking the problem is that when George Floyd tapped out, nobody stopped choking him.
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