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re: This problem affects us all. PDs need accountability. Remember Daniel Shaver.

Posted on 6/9/20 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 6:55 pm to
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Do you know the jury saw the full video?

The first public viewing of the actual moment the shots were fired was when the prosecutor showed it to the court at trial. I'm sure minutes of the footage showing them walking across the parking lot were trimmed, but yeah, the jury saw the relevant parts.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11432 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:00 pm to
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While I agree with statements like this, what reforms would fix the Shaver case? He was tried by a jury of his peers like the law requires and found not guilty.

What changes fix that? A rework of the judicial system? If we are unhappy with a jury's result, we put people on trial until we get the desired outcome? I don't understand the tangible changes that fix something like this.


He shouldn't have been shot in the first place. It's not just about punishing bad cops. Its finding ways to keep bad cops off the force.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20248 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:01 pm to
Found picture of the guy yelling the orders

Posted by cmayLSU07
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2011
80 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:07 pm to
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You are looking at it backwards the primary desire is not to insure or increase punishment it is to prevent the deaths in the first place. I don't want Shaver's murdering cop doing life, I want Shaver alive and having been brought to justice in the courts for any crimes he may have committed.

I understand why people are questioning why BLM wasn't more inclusive and why didn't Shaver get more attention, the answer is pretty simple: White folks just don't care.

The majority of white people (myself included) tend to be perfectly happy about the status quo. Most of us here saw and discussed Shaver but we didn't do anything about it. I sat here on my computer and railed about it being the most horrific thing I have seen but I didn't do shite. In my bubble, I could NEVER see myself in the position Shaver was in. As fricked up as it was it wasn't ever going to be me and I am almost certainly correct. Black people have a different status quo, I have never once thought during a traffic stop "I wish I was black".

Like it or not white people have the power to reform the police system and we have avoided doing it because status quo is easy and the Shaver's are few and far between.

Nobody is perfect in this nor is anyone 100% wrong but as a whole we can do better.




I couldn't have articulated my thoughts as good as this guy. This ^^^ exactly.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 7:09 pm
Posted by El Magnifico
La casa de tu mamá
Member since Jan 2014
7017 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:29 pm to
Philip Brailsford needs the Michael Madsen Reservoir Dogs treatment
Posted by BruceJender
Houston
Member since Dec 2016
620 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:52 pm to
Would love to know the reasoning behind sealing that.
Posted by DCtiger1
Panama City Beach
Member since Jul 2009
8795 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:57 pm to
If so, that jury was either bought and paid for or was a bunch of retards.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36904 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:21 pm to
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I understand why people are questioning why BLM wasn't more inclusive and why didn't Shaver get more attention, the answer is pretty simple: White folks just don't care.


So the reason blm doesn't care about the Daniel shavers of the world, ie white people killed by cops, is because white people don't care?

Ok, then the reason white people don't care about blm is because black people don't care about black lives.

That work for you?

No, the reason people question blm is because blm does not care about the Daniel shavers of the world. They ignore white people that are killed and then come out after a black person is killed and argue that blacks are hunted by cops. They ignore the fact that white people are killed by cops more than black people. They made this into a racism contest, instead of what it actually is, a shitty cop contest.

The other problem is the media. If shaver was black this would have been all over the news. But there was barely a peep.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 8:31 pm
Posted by cmayLSU07
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2011
80 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:08 pm to
What infuriates me more is all so many whites not giving a crap about these issues because they think this is something that doesn't affect them, that it's something the left wing cooked up to put down the right. No. It affects us all. Wake up, don't stick your head in the sand and just brush this off as "lib media" BS.
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
900 posts
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:12 am to
I want to know what in the world happened with that jury. What was said in that court room and during the jury deliberation? I have seen the video. It was absolutely brutal, and it is clear as day that cop murdered that man. Gunned him down when there was absolutely no way that he was of any sort of threat.
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