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Have we given up on special teams?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:00 pm
I'm sitting here looking at old games from 2012 and 2011,years in that vicinity.
Watching the Clemson bowl game in 2012,the sec championship game in 2011 against Georgia and just highlights of several other games .
I didn't want to start this thread, because of the teams success, this season. I'm absolutely in love with this 2019 team. Anything from here on out is constructive criticism type stuff. Even though I know this take will get a record number of downvotes ,I'll say it anyway.
The coaches on This team have completely given up on the return game. Given up, isn't the best word really, cuz they haven't really ever tried in the first place, this year.
Think of the honey badger, dj chark ,tw,pp7,chad Jones, and trindon holiday.guys,i promise you, there are guys on this year's team that, given the chance, could be just as effective as they were.
I don't think it's stingley or ceh that aren't trying to make a big return happen. I think that there being told to make fair catches, unless, for stingley, it's wide open. This could be cuz we're so good on offense, but why not figure out a way to get stingley some room to return? Try different returns. They seem happy with a fair catch on all returns. I think this game ,Monday ,will take everything we have. Having guys just fair catch everything isn't that.
shite ,where would we have been if honey badger just made fair catches.
Watching the Clemson bowl game in 2012,the sec championship game in 2011 against Georgia and just highlights of several other games .
I didn't want to start this thread, because of the teams success, this season. I'm absolutely in love with this 2019 team. Anything from here on out is constructive criticism type stuff. Even though I know this take will get a record number of downvotes ,I'll say it anyway.
The coaches on This team have completely given up on the return game. Given up, isn't the best word really, cuz they haven't really ever tried in the first place, this year.
Think of the honey badger, dj chark ,tw,pp7,chad Jones, and trindon holiday.guys,i promise you, there are guys on this year's team that, given the chance, could be just as effective as they were.
I don't think it's stingley or ceh that aren't trying to make a big return happen. I think that there being told to make fair catches, unless, for stingley, it's wide open. This could be cuz we're so good on offense, but why not figure out a way to get stingley some room to return? Try different returns. They seem happy with a fair catch on all returns. I think this game ,Monday ,will take everything we have. Having guys just fair catch everything isn't that.
shite ,where would we have been if honey badger just made fair catches.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 1:02 pm
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:01 pm to Tigerpride18
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The coaches on This team have completely given up on the return game. Given up, isn't the best word really, cuz they haven't really ever tried in the first place, this year.
Two words.
Joe. Burrow.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:01 pm to Tigerpride18
Stingley has done a good job. We don't need huge returns with how prolific our offense has been. The emphasis more than likely is and should be on ball security.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:02 pm to Tigerpride18
We could definitely block better on punts, but i don't think anyone is too worried about Kick Offs.
Securing the ball is the most important thing with this offense.
Securing the ball is the most important thing with this offense.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:05 pm to Tigerpride18
I personally wouldn't mind Tre Palmer back there next year to spell Stingley at times. i'm probably also just saying this because Palmer has our only punt return TD of the season 
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:07 pm to Tigerpride18
I'm 100 percent happy with this team, but there are 3 phases to every game, and I think we're losing the special teams phase, regularly.
Cade York has been OK, especially in big games. Besides that and Avery atkins though,everything else is well below avg. Hell, just look at the stats.
We give up a good bit on kickoff and have gotten gashed on returns. What's the rant think of the special teams Coach?
Cade York has been OK, especially in big games. Besides that and Avery atkins though,everything else is well below avg. Hell, just look at the stats.
We give up a good bit on kickoff and have gotten gashed on returns. What's the rant think of the special teams Coach?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:10 pm to Tigerpride18
Well, LSU has had two straight years of really good placekicking. Plus, they have a guy who is almost automatic on touchbacks.
The game itself has tried to put less emphasis on KO returns by giving teams greater incentives to no return kicks. As for punt returns, LSU is putting their All American CB back there. Just because he hasn't broken a return yet doesn't mean LSU isn't "trying."
The game itself has tried to put less emphasis on KO returns by giving teams greater incentives to no return kicks. As for punt returns, LSU is putting their All American CB back there. Just because he hasn't broken a return yet doesn't mean LSU isn't "trying."
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:12 pm to Tigerpride18
Our special teams is top 10 in the country, FYI
You don’t need to resort to tricks or Hail Mary special teams plays when you’re offense is as good as ours.
You don’t need to resort to tricks or Hail Mary special teams plays when you’re offense is as good as ours.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:20 pm to Tigerpride18
moron 
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:24 pm to Tigerpride18
You know what is a really bad idea?
Counting on a return game with the greatest CFB offense of all time.
Counting on a return game with the greatest CFB offense of all time.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:28 pm to Tigerpride18
You're a fricking tard if you think we're losing the special teams side of things in any game. We kick the ball out of the end zone on kick offs which forces as long a field as we would normally get if we didn't. We have a great field goal kicker and a punter who can flip the field. All you need in the punt return game is a guy who is smart and doesn't do risky shite with the football or with fair catches. The kick off return game has largely gone the way of the dodo for everyone.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:29 pm to Tigerpride18
You are an idiot.
New NCAA rules have made returning kickoffs a negative in most situations.
On punt returns, we have played it safe with fair catches, because our offense is so good.
Our kickers are all excellent.
You can blame Orgeron for this philosophy, but the special teams coach is just executing what he is told.
I, for one, agree with it.
New NCAA rules have made returning kickoffs a negative in most situations.
On punt returns, we have played it safe with fair catches, because our offense is so good.
Our kickers are all excellent.
You can blame Orgeron for this philosophy, but the special teams coach is just executing what he is told.
I, for one, agree with it.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:46 pm to Tigerpride18
I think our ST are doing well.
Returning punts isn’t worth the risk many times when you have a competent offense. I got KO’d in high school on ST. I don’t really understand why we wouldn’t let some fresh legs field these balls considering the talent on the sideline. Palmer seemed electric enough when he got his shot, and risking CEH wouldn’t be my preference, but these coaches know more than I ever will about football.
Returning punts isn’t worth the risk many times when you have a competent offense. I got KO’d in high school on ST. I don’t really understand why we wouldn’t let some fresh legs field these balls considering the talent on the sideline. Palmer seemed electric enough when he got his shot, and risking CEH wouldn’t be my preference, but these coaches know more than I ever will about football.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:51 pm to Tigerpride18
Remember when Stingley fumbled the punt on our own 20, Auburn recovered and put it in the endzone for 7.......in a game we only won by 3. I remember. Unless the gunners aren’t within 20 yards of him, let him fair catch it all day long.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:01 pm to Tigerpride18
Not sure why anyone would want someone to return anything and risk injuries/turnovers with the offense we have...
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:05 pm to Tigerpride18
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The coaches on This team have completely given up on the return game. Given up, isn't the best word really, cuz they haven't really ever tried in the first place, this year.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:09 pm to Tigerpride18
I just think our offense is so good, that trying to make a play on special teams isn’t really necessary.(blocked punts are rare, but running into the kicker is that extend drives are pretty common;Kick off returns for touchdowns are rare, but blocks in the back or holding penalties that back you up on your goal line happen quite a bit.
It’s just essentially controlling your controllables.
It’s just essentially controlling your controllables.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:18 pm to Tigerpride18
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Have we given up on special teams?
With an offense like this, all we need to do is make the catch and then set up shop and start moving downfield.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:34 pm to Tigerpride18
Not a matter of giving up on special teams... just playing smart football
No chance of a turnover on return.... with our offense
Why chance it
No chance of a turnover on return.... with our offense
Why chance it
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:41 pm to Tigerpride18
Would you rather swap this offense with the 2011 and 2012 one for special teams?
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