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Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society
Posted on 11/7/19 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 12:51 pm
When even atheists admit Christianity is necessary for an ordered moral society, the alarm has been sounded.
Afraid we are reaping the results of a Godless culture and a lukewarm church. Thankful that in God's economy, Mercy and Grace are an option as long as there is breath.
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In a truly secular society, in which men and women live their lives beneath empty heavens and expect to be recycled rather than resurrected, there is no solid moral foundation for good and evil
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There is a very real possibility, he noted, that our modern concept of human rights, based as it is on a Judeo-Christian foundation, may very well outlive Christianity by only a few short years. Cut off from the source, our conception of human rights may shrivel and die very quickly, leaving us fumbling about in a thick and impenetrable darkness.
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People may feel free to do bad things because they feel God is no longer watching them,” he said, citing the example of security cameras as a deterrent to shoplifting. One wonders if he has heard Douglas Murray remind people that the Soviets murdered their millions in the firm belief that there was no Judge waiting for them when the killing was over.
Afraid we are reaping the results of a Godless culture and a lukewarm church. Thankful that in God's economy, Mercy and Grace are an option as long as there is breath.
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 12:53 pm to Perfect Circle
One question I have always wanted to ask a real atheist is: What keeps you in line? Most crimes go unsolved. What keeps you from murdering someone who aggravates you?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 12:54 pm to Perfect Circle
Everyone needs something to believe in, everyone needs a higher sense of being to give them a sense of self worth.
When people turn away from religion, they still need to fill that void with something. Hence, filling it with social justice, left wing politics and worshipping the almighty state/government.
I'd rather live in a society where people yield to Christianity, than yield to the state.
South Park nailed this in the Wii episode 12 years ago.
When people turn away from religion, they still need to fill that void with something. Hence, filling it with social justice, left wing politics and worshipping the almighty state/government.
I'd rather live in a society where people yield to Christianity, than yield to the state.
South Park nailed this in the Wii episode 12 years ago.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 12:54 pm to Perfect Circle
A person doesn't have to be a believer to see that Christian standards are some of the best ever.
Christian standards SHOULD be the best. These standards have been thousands of years in the making.
Christian standards SHOULD be the best. These standards have been thousands of years in the making.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:01 pm to Perfect Circle
You mean to tell me, we can't just suddenly declare we are completely doing away with something that has been an essential component of human existence since the beginning of civilization (for which there are some scholarly arguments that say it was actually the impetus for such civilization), and simply not miss a beat in the process?
No fricking way?
No fricking way?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:07 pm to Perfect Circle
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:07 pm to Perfect Circle
Of course it is. The logical outflowing of atheism is that there is no objective moral standard and no inherent human value. What kind of society are you going to have when you claim a utilitarian view of existence? The kind that says the ends justify the means.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:07 pm to Perfect Circle
Is this a failing of the Christians parents and the churches? Are we failing our children by not bringing them up in the Sunday school?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:12 pm to Perfect Circle
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:19 pm to Perfect Circle
Renowned self acclaimed “Christian Atheist”
So basically he’s just on brand.
So basically he’s just on brand.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:26 pm to Perfect Circle
Western society would not have been as successful and prosperous as it became to be without Christianity.
Christianity is the guard rails of western civilization and makes sure we always take stock of everything we do and judge it to be ethically defensible or absolutely indefensible.
Removing those guard rails turns western civilization into a jump ball tossup and gives us the opportunity to to devolve into a very selfish and hedonistic beyond belief society.
Christianity is the guard rails of western civilization and makes sure we always take stock of everything we do and judge it to be ethically defensible or absolutely indefensible.
Removing those guard rails turns western civilization into a jump ball tossup and gives us the opportunity to to devolve into a very selfish and hedonistic beyond belief society.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:31 pm to Perfect Circle
Duh. When people who innately are guided by evolutionary self interest instinct, and believe that it's one and done with zero accountability...it's not rocket science to predict their action. Dogfight for the meat.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:40 pm to Perfect Circle
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Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!" As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.
"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."
Nietzsche called it over 100 years ago.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:52 pm to Perfect Circle
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In a truly secular society, in which men and women live their lives beneath empty heavens and expect to be recycled rather than resurrected, there is no solid moral foundation for good and evil
I'm fairly agnostic and lean atheist.
This is something I've said to others (both believers and not) several times the last few years. Humans need written religion, of which Christianity is the best, to give moral stability to society. Removing it is like ancient doctors removing organs that 'don't seem to do anything'. Once gone, the realization comes too late that that piece you worked to hard to remove was actually vital for the whole system to work.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 1:56 pm to Perfect Circle
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When even atheists admit Christianity is necessary for an ordered moral society, the alarm has been sounded.
Lots of conservative atheists have been saying this for nearly a decade, they don't get much of a soapbox unfortunately.
I suspect as progressives pull the political rope further and further to the left you'll see more and more atheists accepting this.
I do disagree that only Christianity can act as a safeguard to what's occurring to our country, but I have zero issue standing besides Christians on most issues.
I wish I could return to the time when my biggest concern were 10 commandments in courthouses. Now look at America... Clownworld... We gotta turn the clock back a few decades.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:07 pm to Perfect Circle
“But as Christianity fades further and further into our civilization’s rear-view mirror,“
I can’t you guys seriously.
I can’t you guys seriously.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:12 pm to Perfect Circle
Moral codes like the one found in Christianity, at least how its practiced today, act like bumpers in a bowling alley. They prevent gutter balls. Sure, some people are skilled enough not to need them but most of the population isn't.
Dont be surprised when you remove bumpers that the average score drops drastically.
Dont be surprised when you remove bumpers that the average score drops drastically.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 2:13 pm to Perfect Circle
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Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society
This is something I've long argued.
When you remove the mysticism from it any religion is nothing more than a philosophical framework for accepted and shunned behaviors both in society and when alone. When religion was removed from schools no other philosophy was put in to fill the gap for children. So we went from having at least daily reaffirmations of a philosophical structure of not just right and wrong but the penalties and benefits associated therewith to more and more people putting into place their increasingly individualized philosophies.
As a society we forget the lessons of the past after around 2-3 generations (while technically a generation is considered 30 years, I consider more closer to 20 as the time period is defined as "the average period during which children are born, grow up, become adults and begin to have children of their own"). Religion was removed from public schools ~1963. Advance that 30 years and we hit 1993, another 30 and here we are (approximately).
But why is this bad? Generally speaking, the more homogeneous a society is in its behavioral philosophies, the less conflict you'll have within that society. Conversely, the more spread out a society's beliefs on behavioral philosophies then the more likely there is to be conflict within that society.
Look at Japan, for instance. They don't have religion in their schools but they don't have the rampant violence and disrespect we have in ours. What's the difference?
Instead of religion they have a system set up around self-responsibility and respect. For instance, Japanese students don’t take any exams until they reach 10yrs old (instead they take small tests). They believe the goal for the first 3 years of school should not be to judge the child’s knowledge or learning, but to instead establish good manners and to develop their character. They are taught to respect other people and to be gentle to animals/nature. They also taught to be generous, compassionate and empathetic. Besides this, pupils are taught qualities like grit, self-control, and given a sense justice.
Fun fact: most Japanese schools do not employ janitors. Why? Because the students clean the schools themselves (the classrooms, the cafeteria, even the bathrooms). They believe that teaching the kids to clean their school teaches them to treat one another with respect and it infuses a sense of responsibility.
So while we don't necessarily need religion in schools, the removal of it left a vacuum that was filled with something far less adequate and that is in part why we see such a major degradation in our schools and in student behavior in general when compared to how those things were when religion was still allowed in schools.
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:40 pm to Perfect Circle
Well duh
I am agnostic at most and I know that
I am agnostic at most and I know that
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:02 pm to Perfect Circle
The seeds to the demise of Christian civilization and values were sewn on October 31, 1517. It's been downhill ever since.
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