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re: Mike Trout has finally peaked
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:43 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:43 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
And the counting stats? Home runs? Runs? RBIs? Griffey also spent his prime with steroid users while remaining clean. Trout is the king of empty stats at the plate. Down 6-2 in the 8th? Here comes a double! Down 4-0 in the 7th? I’ll walk and get a steal! We’re down 8-3 in the 9th and I’m 0-2 with a walk? Well here’s a good time to hit a solo shot!
You vomitted this nonsense once before and I posted Trout’s stats in high, medium and low leverage situations. And with RISP and with bases empty. No noticeable change, if anything he was better in important situations. You, of course, didn’t say shite about it, so I won’t waste my time looking it up again.
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:47 pm to TheeRealCarolina
With 2 out and RISP Trout has a .915 OPS
In tie games .981
Down 1 .999
Down 2 .997
When his team is trailing he has a .998 OPS
These are career numbers
When his team is ahead he has a 1.028 OPS
In tie games .981
Down 1 .999
Down 2 .997
When his team is trailing he has a .998 OPS
These are career numbers
When his team is ahead he has a 1.028 OPS
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:48 pm to The Seaward
Got damn
Posted on 6/20/19 at 9:56 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
Trout is the king of empty stats at the plate. Down 6-2 in the 8th? Here comes a double! Down 4-0 in the 7th? I’ll walk and get a steal! We’re down 8-3 in the 9th and I’m 0-2 with a walk? Well here’s a good time to hit a solo shot!
You....you do know that Trout, and Griffey, didn’t have much control regarding how well their pitchers did, right?
quote:
And the counting stats? Home runs? Runs? RBIs? Griffey also spent his prime with steroid users while remaining clean.
Neat. He won just as many title as Trout has. I guess he’s just as big of a loser.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 10:09 pm to WestCoastAg
His lack of passion and desire to win is a big negative. Even the Rays put better teams than the Angels over the years. It is not like he has to go to the Yankees or Red Sox to win.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 10:16 pm to RyleD
quote:
His lack of passion and desire to win is a big negative.
For fricks sake
Posted on 6/20/19 at 10:21 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
There is nothing about Trout that says greatest of all time. Nothing. A-Rod, Bonds before the Roids, Griffey, Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Teddy Ballgame. That’s your inner circle. Sabermetrics are how the Mike Greenbergs of the world can pretend like they know a damn thing about baseball.
Such a get off my lawn jackass take. I never get where arguments like this come from when sabermetric stats such as WAR in fact correlate with the greatest players of all time. Hey, guess who leads MLB baseball in WAR!
Babe Ruth - 182 (22 seasons)
The other players you named...
A-Rod - 117 (16th)
Bonds - 162 (4th)
Griffey - 84 (56th, obviously injuries)
Mays - 156 (5th)
Williams - 123 (14th, obviously WWII)
Trout is at a career WAR of 69 over 9 seasons for an average of 7.66 per season. Over a 22 year career like Ruth, Trout would accumulate 168 WAR, sliding him into 2nd place of all time behind Ruth and ahead of Bonds. We are, in fact, possibly watching the greatest player of all time that hasnt even entered his prime yet. He has already accumulated more career WAR than greats like Eddie Murray, Pudge Rodriguez and Ryne Sandberg.
And just so we’re clear on how much WAR correlates to greatness, here are the top 20 WAR players of all time in order...
Ruth
Walter Johnson
Cy Young
Bonds
Mays
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Roger Clemens
Tris Speaker
Honus Wagner
Stan Musial
Rogers Hornsby
Eddie Collins
Ted Williams
Pete Alexander
Alex Rodriguez
Kid Nichols
Lou Gehrig
Rickey Henderson
Mickey Mantle
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:19 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
Trout is the king of empty stats at the plate. Down 6-2 in the 8th? Here comes a double! Down 4-0 in the 7th? I’ll walk and get a steal! We’re down 8-3 in the 9th and I’m 0-2 with a walk? Well here’s a good time to hit a solo shot!
Perhaps you missed the OP in this thread, or maybe you have a comprehension problem. His stats with the bases loaded, which I wouldn’t consider “empty”, whatever the frick means are as follow:
.420 AVG
.452 OBP
.812 SLG
1.263 OPS
6 HRs
14 Singles
9 Doubles
11BBs
And I had to double check Baseball Reference to make sure this is right...
101 RBIs(in only 93 PA)
But that’s just those easy, misleading “empty” stats.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:20 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
A-Rod, Bonds before the Roids, Griffey, Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Teddy Ballgame. That’s your inner circle.
Griffey was born on Novemember 21st in Donora, PA. He's not even the best player in MLB history born on November 21st in Donora, PA. He's not inner circle.
The best of his generation and HOF worthy, yes. But not inner circle HOF.
And you're flat out stupid if you can't appreciate how good Mike Trout is.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:20 am to RyleD
quote:
His lack of passion and desire to win is a big negative.
you don't become that good on talent alone without the drive and passion. 
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:26 am to castorinho
Judging a position player on team wins and losses is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard 
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:28 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:Arent you a wins guy? Non-empty stats right?
There is nothing about Trout that says greatest of all time. Nothing. A-Rod, Bonds before the Roids, Griffey, Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Teddy Ballgame. That’s your inner circle.
Bonds-never won
Ted Williams-never won
Griffey-never won
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:53 am to TheeRealCarolina
A rod had to force a trade to the Yankees to win
Mays only won 1 Ring
Ruth Goat
The rest never won.empty stats
Mays only won 1 Ring
Ruth Goat
The rest never won.empty stats
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:39 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:ummmm
He was never going to go to a big market to play, aside from possibly Philly.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 4:30 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:
Mike Trout has finally peaked
Yet no one nationally gives a shite or ever sees him play because he voluntarily stuck himself permanently on a team no one cares about.
He might as well be playing on Klendathu...
MLB should have stepped in and said "wour game is dying, your going to a big market team with high visibility."
Trout will be the only guy that folks in 50 years talk about but always say they never saw him play, even though his games were on TV every night.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 4:35 pm to Jack Ruby
quote:and if he chose to play for the yankees or dodgers people would hate him for trying to take a short cut
because he voluntarily stuck himself permanently on a team no one cares about.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 6:08 pm to WestCoastAg
Trouts teams are so bad that they’ve given him 93 plate appearances with bases loaded in what 7 seasons? Probably really only 6 seasons because he’s the AD of baseball. Great player, won’t win you anything. WAR is basically the PER of baseball. It’s a stat. One that people place wayyyyy too much importance on because ESPN has created a lazy generation of sports fans who need one or two stats to tell them what a player is rather than you know, watching them.
There’s a poster here who has already said they just read the basic stat sheet from a game and it tells them all the need to know about a quarterback’s performance in a game. Those are the guys who care about Trout’s WAR.
There’s a poster here who has already said they just read the basic stat sheet from a game and it tells them all the need to know about a quarterback’s performance in a game. Those are the guys who care about Trout’s WAR.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:08 pm to TheeRealCarolina
But how many Rings do Griffey Bonds and Williams have?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:09 pm to TheeRealCarolina
We've already proven you wrong so you change the argument
Posted on 6/21/19 at 7:13 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
and if he chose to play for the yankees or dodgers people would hate him for trying to take a short cut
It’s fine in baseball
Because they aren’t thug POS’s
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