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re: American Chamber of Commerce in South China "US companies leaving China"

Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:15 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:15 am to
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Only the STD guy


And you still cant answer the simple question but resort to 3rd grade level stupid
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11195 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:53 am to
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The idea that moving to the less developed countries means that they will have better IP protection or better financing options is just laughable. They will have those same problems in places like Viet Nam.





China is the most dangerous government we have seen since the Nazi party was in control of Germany. Vietnam doesn't have a 30 year plan to become the most powerful country in the world.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74290 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:54 am to
Still no answer. What a fraud IB90proof is
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:06 am to
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Home Depot said in their conference call that the proposed tariffs will result in $1 billion in increased annual cost.
$1Bn sounds bad. It does. However, HD's annual sales are ~$110Bn, so in reality, it is <1%.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74290 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:12 am to
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$1Bn sounds bad. It does. However, HD's annual sales are ~$110Bn, so in reality, it is <1%.


Its a great talking point then you realize how dumb it is once you see there profit

Its why he wont answer my question
He knows how dumb he will look when the cost increase is like 20 a yr for the average Joe
Posted by Tree 20
Mooresville, NC
Member since Mar 2008
50 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:13 am to
I'll help him out. Gloves. You will pay ~20% - 25% more on any and all gloves b/c a majority of all gloves are manufactured in China. There are plenty more products...how do I know? I import for a major retailer. Just listen to the earnings calls this week...you'll hear all about it. The 25% tariffs are going to sting...and most companies will leverage raising average prices and not just the specific items that are directly tariff impacted. So, to better answer the question, most products will be affected and the individual retailer will decide which and how much...but let's be clear - these will 100% be passed on to the consumer.

Whether people align on the debate of Tariffs...Trump has one goal and one goal only: Pressure to move manufacturing out of China - why? less manufacturing reduces the GDP in China and hurts their economy. There are a myriad of reasons why he is doing it, but the goal is clear.

Side note, manufactures have been chasing lower wage rates for years. The expansion into Vietnam started a few years ago when Chinese wages started to rise. We strategically started sourcing from alternatives to keep prices down. Vietnamese wages were 1/10 of Chinese wages, so many companies began building the infrastructure years ago. India and believe it or not, Mexico/S. America are the newer hotbeds. If India could ever ship on time, they would be more of a force.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:15 am to
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Well it is true if the goods come from China.
No. At current 10% tariff levels, US consumers have seen very muted costs. My suspicion is the CPC will continue trying to mitigate costs. It is just not clear how much more they can afford.
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They could start canceling deals with large US companies like Boeing
They could, but only if they are willing to do without supply. Airbus is fairly maxed out, complete with significant production backlogs.
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They could for example, push up the value of the dollar by selling Euros or Yen and buying T-bills.
They could do that as well. The effect would be to make US EU/Japanese imports more price competitive.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74290 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:15 am to
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I'll help him out. Gloves. You will pay ~20% - 25%


So 4 dollars on a once a year purchase?

I want to know the cost on a daily or monthly product
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 10:16 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99163 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:18 am to
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He has political foes in China just like Trump has here


No, he doesn't.

China is not a democracy or a republic (despite its name).

It is a top down authoritarian regime.

Certainly, you have a Central Committee/Politburo that you have to assuage, but there are no structural or institutional impediments in place for the Chinese.

They can agree to whatever they want.

They are choosing not to.

Unlike before, the USA (Trump) is not rolling over and is making them pay a price for their actions.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:21 am to
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I didn't see any questions from you.
Odd. There were two (2) questions in the post (my post) which you were responding to.

(1) So you didn't understand what I am asking for?

and

(2) Do your sources indicate the CPC has maxed out that capacity?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:23 am to
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harmonic code


Lmao!!! He did the same thing in my other thread. "Until you can read and understand the 301 Directive ".... which is a 2006 intel directive... I had to show him he was using the wrong term and words....

Posted by Tree 20
Mooresville, NC
Member since Mar 2008
50 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:23 am to
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So 4 dollars on a once a year purchase?

I want to know the cost on a daily or monthly product



This depends on the consumer...you may not purchase gloves but once a year but a contractor purchases on a monthly basis. That contractor will then pass on that to the consumer as well.

The glove example is one specific that was asked for. I can tell you that companies will raise retails for all products to absorb the larger increases. No one will be able to cite a very specific example unless you have insights to the retailer strategy. For example, you may pay 4-5% more on batteries to offset the 25% tariff on some major appliances.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:26 am to
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I import for a major retailer.
Good.
Then perhaps you can answer the question I was asking:

Reports are the CPC has successfully mitigated many tariff effects at the 10% level. How much did Chinese glove wholesale pricing actually increase with the 10% tariff?
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 10:27 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74290 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:27 am to
Please stop talking to me about companies

Please give me a daily or monthly product and the exact increase in costs please

Lets analyze batteries

I buy batteries at costco for $15 that lasts me 6mnths. So i might have to pay 20 now so in one year thats a 10 increase so less then a dollar per month

Please continue with more examples
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:28 am to
Gee I B Chinaman logs out and a helper bear magically appears.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:40 am to
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harmonic code


Lmao!!! He did the same thing in my other thread.
TBH I have no beef with his knowledge basis on trade.
He knows his stuff, the "harmonic code" thing notwithstanding.

It's a little like dealing with BamaAtl on Medical issues though (although IMO IBF rises to nothing near BA's level of consistent dishonesty).
Extensive knowledge/expertise can be used to misrepresent details in a field.

At times, IBF seems to try leveraging his knowledge to manipulate arguments away from reality.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:41 am to
Too late Tree has left the building.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124188 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:51 am to
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Tree 20
LSU Fan
Mooresville, NC
Mooresville. You're right up the road. On the lake?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:52 am to
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Mooresville. You're right up the road. On the lake?

And has logged out, alter has left the building.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74290 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:54 am to
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Gee I B Chinaman logs out and a helper bear magically appears.


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