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re: Is Miles a Top 10 head coach?

Posted on 5/10/08 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by Spirit of Dunson
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Posted on 5/10/08 at 2:18 pm to
HERE YOU GO
LINK
Posted by Rocket
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Posted on 5/10/08 at 2:19 pm to
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13. NO MATTER WHAT I WRITE, IT WILL BE WRONG

I could write that Carroll failed as a head coach in the National Football League, that he didn’t hit his stride, didn’t find himself, until he returned to college ball. It’s the most common knock against him, and his NFL record (33-31) was less than dazzling. But I could just as easily write that Carroll deserved more time, that he was done in by idiot fans and trigger-happy NFL owners who didn’t recognize his strengths. Given more time, Carroll would have become one of the best. “He never really had a chance to establish himself,” says Boomer Esiason, who quarterbacked for the New York Jets when Carroll was the coach. Esiason calls the day Carroll got fired “the saddest day of my professional life. I basically went from a Ph.D. to an elementary school education in about 15 minutes.”

I could write that Carroll was too soft on his players in the NFL"it might be the worst charge that could be leveled at a football coach. It’s been leveled at Carroll plenty, and he winces when he repeats it. But I could just as easily write that Carroll’s positive attitude, his native optimism and idealism, find more receptive ears among young players, who haven’t yet become cynical, who don’t play for money.

I could write that Carroll’s restoration of USC’s glory, his resurrection of a prowess and cachet that date back to the 1920s, is one of the most impressive achievements in the annals of college football, so fast and dramatic that it borders on miraculous. Carroll took a team that had become a nonfactor, that hadn’t won a national championship in 22 years, and turned it into a machine. His stars made a habit of collecting Heismans as if it were their birthright" three winners in four years, a feat no other school has achieved. No one would have dared say I was wrong"until this season. When USC fell to Stanford, you could hear the critics clearing their throats, rehearsing their revisionist histories and eulogies of the Carroll Era. Maybe the magic is gone, they said. Maybe Carroll benefited from a crew of talented assistants, they said, guys like offensive mastermind Norm Chow, who left to become offensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans, and Lane Kiffin, who left to become head coach of the Oakland Raiders, and Ed Orgeron, who’s now coaching the University of Mississippi.

Just wait. Another few losses, another season or two without a championship, and the critics will get louder. Carroll was overrated, they’ll say. He got lucky, they’ll say. He came along at the same moment as a rare cluster of once-in-a-lifetime players, they’ll say. He’s lost his Trojan mojo.

Carroll knows what they’ll say, and when he hears it, when he feels that he’s losing the players, losing the fans, losing momentum, or just losing, he might leave. Regardless of the contract extension he signed in 2005, details of which he declines to discuss, he’s not likely to stay where he’s not wanted, or where his message is no longer working. “I never want to coach again when it’s not like this,” he says. “I won’t hang on for dear life. I love winning so much that I can’t imagine being here when it’s any other way.”

I could write that, even if he does leave, he’ll never go back to the NFL, where he was booed and labeled a failure. “There’s no way,” he says, and Esiason agrees. “I don’t know if there’s nirvana for Pete Carroll"but I know it’s not in the pros.” And yet. When I press Carroll, I can’t help feeling that he hedges. “There’s no franchise, there’s no ownership, there’s no philosophy,” he says. “The only thing it would give me would be credibility. That you’re the best in the world.”




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Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/10/08 at 2:21 pm to
THANK YOU DUNSON!!!!!!!

I was looking for something like that but the only thing I could find was a word document

I'll stop there.
Posted by MiketheTiger69
Moore/Norman, Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2004
3315 posts
Posted on 5/10/08 at 2:56 pm to
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And sure, USC has lost some games they shouldn't have. That happens with every school, not just USC.





I don't think you can compare STANFORD to those schools! And you can't use the "injuries" excuse because LSU had just as many, if not more, injuries than USC.
I think it is not so much the expectations of the fans as it is the outlook of the "experts" each year. Every year since Petey has been at USC and Tressel at OSU, the media and other "experts" blow them big time and talk as if they're the greatest of all time and should go undefeated every year and play for the NC. It's not anybody else's fault but their own when tehy fail to live up to those expectations.
If Petey loses to Stanford, or the Vest gets his as kicked in 2 NC games, there's always excuses but if Les loses to Auburn because of shitty officiating or to Arkansas and Kentucky in 3 OT's, he's a crappy coach.
Posted by Proejo
Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:10 pm to
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I'll stop there.


Thank God!
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:13 pm to
I am SO tired of this USC shite!! 6 straight BCS BOWLS!! I don't care who you play against!! It is a GREAT RUN!!!! FSU OR MIAMI THAT play in the ACC!! Do they come close?? NO!!!
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59130 posts
Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:19 pm to
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I don't think you can compare STANFORD to those schools! And you can't use the "injuries" excuse because LSU had just as many, if not more, injuries than USC.


Injuries are a factor and were in LSU's loses and close scrapes as well. USC should not have lost to Stanford regardless, but that is one game. They did a terrible job in that game, but you should judge a coach on his overall record, not his worst game. Saban should not have lost to UAB or ULM, but shite happens.
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It's not anybody else's fault but their own when tehy fail to live up to those expectations.


So not living up to the completely unrealistic expectations of fans and media is his fault and makes him an underachieving coach?
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f Les loses to Auburn because of shitty officiating or to Arkansas and Kentucky in 3 OT's, he's a crappy coach.


That's according to fans, mostly LSU fans.
Posted by cenla tigah
cenla
Member since Sep 2007
5521 posts
Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:36 pm to
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Saban's players are gone.


Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10179 posts
Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:41 pm to
The only true measure of greatness is retrospect. There has to be something to USC's success with Carroll as head coach that justifies giving him some credit. NFL vs. NCAA is not a good comparison because it takes a different kind of person to coach at each level. The players, chain of command and expectations are just different. Who could honestly call Spurrier an underachiever? I certainly wouldn't. Do I like him? Don't like him at all, mainly because he coached Florida. Can he coach? Hell yes! We as fans never like "the enemy" when he is successful. We are always looking for an excuse to not honor their success. Right now Les Miles and all of us are enjoying great success for LSU, but only time will tell if he will be looked at as one of the best coaches. Right now the team he coaches is hugely successful and record-setting, but it will only be later when gauging the sum of his career can we know of his coaching ability. Every poll, rankings/ratings list and thread that raves about ability is actually that person or group of people, voicing their opinions, biased as they may be.
May USC, Pete Carroll, Steve Spurrier, and all of the rest fall on their faces, and may Les Miles and LSU continue to win and be feared by all!
This post was edited on 5/10/08 at 3:51 pm
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35429 posts
Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:45 pm to
All that should really matter to anyone is that they are happy with their coach. SC fans couldn't be happier to have Pete and I'm sure LSU fans couldn't be happier to have Les. Who really cares what ESPN or any other sports writer has to say?
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10179 posts
Posted on 5/10/08 at 3:47 pm to
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LSU fans couldn't be happier to have Les. Who really cares what ESPN or any other sports writer has to say?

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111136 posts
Posted on 5/11/08 at 3:28 am to
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, but does it really matter when you have the best talent in the nation?


Miami over the past few seasons has still EASILY been one of the top 10 most talented teams in the nation.

I think that should answer your question about coaching.
Posted by Kumakop
Da Vatican
Member since Jan 2006
213 posts
Posted on 5/11/08 at 9:11 am to
Miles is #1 on my team
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:35 pm to
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Yes. I don't see how you can't rank him in the Top 5, really.


ouch
Posted by blowmeauburn
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
7889 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:39 pm to
This thread is rich. The second post is right on though.
Posted by HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Bossier City
Member since Jan 2010
8153 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:41 pm to
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Miles is #1 on my team


Ouch
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:42 pm to
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Miles 85% Winning Percentage

Saban- 75% Winning Percentage(LSU)

Miles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Saban


Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278671 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:53 pm to
Doc, guess u didnt read the other thread where u defend miles as well
Posted by the crue
Chackbay-Thibodaux
Member since May 2008
3971 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:54 pm to
in the sec or in the country?
Posted by scott the rock
sec. 423 r 18 seat 5(Oak Grove)
Member since Jan 2007
709 posts
Posted on 1/9/10 at 8:54 pm to
Maybe top 10 in the sec, maybe.
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