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re: Arkansas Voted An Increase To The Min Wage - $11.00 Over 3 Years
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:44 am to beerJeep
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:44 am to beerJeep
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Forced increases to the min wage hurt min wage employees the most. It’s been proven and shown time and time and time again.
There should be no min wage.
As a business owner who hires a lot of part time student help, I would hate minimum wage hikes less if the federal government would give us a break on payroll taxes.
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:46 am to beerJeep
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Forced increases to the min wage hurt min wage employees the most. It’s been proven and shown time and time and time again.
There should be no min wage.
Given that the minimum wage has decreased in terms of actual real money over the last 40 years that hasn't been proven.
Go ahead and come back with a lame argument, but actual statistics prove that the federal minimum wage is worth 80% of what it was in 1968, so the minimum wage actually hasn't gone up in that time so it's illogical to argue that you know what raising the minimum wage does. YOu have no idea because the minimum wage hasn't actually gone up in recent memory.
In fact, the opposite, the minimum wage fell so far below inflation that it would take an immediate enactment of $11 an hour to rectify that. By the time Arkansas gets to $11 an hour in 2020 it will probably be $13 an hour. That's the nature of inflation.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nationally, adults making the min wage are In very low numbers
No argument there, like I said in an earlier post, around here chicken plants are at $11-13 an hour to start. McDonalds is at $10 an hour.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:48 am to Sao
Why did they stop at $11? If $11 is good, wouldn't $50 be better?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:49 am to Salmon
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I don't believe minimum wage should exist at all, so I disagree with the principle.
Although Arkansas should do what they want. This should absolutely be a state by state issue
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:50 am to slackster
Odd rebuttal.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:50 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Go ahead and come back with a lame argument, but actual statistics prove that the federal minimum wage is worth 80% of what it was in 1968, so the minimum wage actually hasn't gone up in that time so it's illogical to argue that you know what raising the minimum wage does. YOu have no idea because the minimum wage hasn't actually gone up in recent memory.
In 1968 the employee kept a lot more of their wages. It's not as simple as you're making it sound.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:52 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Go ahead and come back with a lame argument, but actual statistics prove that the federal minimum wage is worth 80% of what it was in 1968,
Probably in part because of downward pressure on wages due to a massive influx of low skilled labor from South of the border.
Increasing min wages leads to automation and the need for more imported, low skilled labor. Either way, it means higher unemployment
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:54 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Given that the minimum wage has decreased in terms of actual real money over the last 40 years that hasn't been proven.
That’s fine and dandy. Min wage should be $0.
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Go ahead and come back with a lame argument, but actual statistics prove that the federal minimum wage is worth 80% of what it was in 1968, so the minimum wage actually hasn't gone up in that time so it's illogical to argue that you know what raising the minimum wage does. YOu have no idea because the minimum wage hasn't actually gone up in recent memory.
I mean.... LINK
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I can keep going if you want
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fact, the opposite, the minimum wage fell so far below inflation that it would take an immediate enactment of $11 an hour to rectify that. By the time Arkansas gets to $11 an hour in 2020 it will probably be $13 an hour. That's the nature of inflation.
And mandated min wage increases still disproportionately affect those who make min wage in negative ways. As proven time and time and time and time and time again.
If you wanna come back and try again, be my guest. Not my fault you can’t comrehend that forced increases to min wage are bad and hurt those who make min wage.
Min wage should be abolished completely.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
What automation are you referring to exactly? Give a couple of examples
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:57 am to Sao
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What automation are you referring to exactly? Give a couple of examples
The last few times I went to McDonald’s I didn’t order from a person. I ordered from a kiosk.
We’ve fired 25 people over the last few years and replaced their jobs with machines at my families company.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:58 am to beerJeep
What is with this fast food fixation?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:59 am to Sao
Fast food is a min wage work force. This topic is about min wage employees. Since were taking about the increase to the min wage, would you not expect those affected to work min wage jobs?
As to our business, all those fired and replaced made well above min wage. One made 6 figures. He was replaced by a machine that was paid off in less than 6 months.
As to our business, all those fired and replaced made well above min wage. One made 6 figures. He was replaced by a machine that was paid off in less than 6 months.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:04 am to Sao
Here's a link that may help
Min wage leads to replacement by machines
When wages are low enough, it's viable to use workers instead of incurring the cost of automation. As wages rise, automation becomes much more viable. So does hiring of undocumented workers
Min wage leads to replacement by machines
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These automatable jobs include positions like supermarket check-out clerks, who can be replaced by self-service checkout cashiers, and assembly-line workers in manufacturing plants, who can be replaced by robotic arms. Low-skilled workers, for the study, are defined as those who have a high school diploma or less.
"We find that a significant number of individuals who were previously in automatable employment are unemployed in the period following a minimum wage increase," the study says.
When wages are low enough, it's viable to use workers instead of incurring the cost of automation. As wages rise, automation becomes much more viable. So does hiring of undocumented workers
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably in part because of downward pressure on wages due to a massive influx of low skilled labor from South of the border.
Probably in large part due to that, Seems pretty obvious that you can't add 10M potential employees to the employee pool and not expect wages to drop.
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Increasing min wages leads to automation and the need for more imported, low skilled labor. Either way, it means higher unemployment
But automation and immigration have already caused unemployement regardless of the fact that the minimum wage has steadily decreased over the last 50 years.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:08 am to Sao
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Odd rebuttal.
It's the same logic.
Why stop at $11?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
Not to mention machines are a frick ton more reliable than humans.
The machine that replaced the aforementioned highly paid worker has, to date, made zero mistakes. It’s much much faster, more effiecient, doesn’t get sick or require personal days, and is always on time. It’s an ideal worker and actually increased turnout.
People who scoff at automation have no idea how far reaching automation is. No one will be untouched by automation in the coming decades.
The machine that replaced the aforementioned highly paid worker has, to date, made zero mistakes. It’s much much faster, more effiecient, doesn’t get sick or require personal days, and is always on time. It’s an ideal worker and actually increased turnout.
People who scoff at automation have no idea how far reaching automation is. No one will be untouched by automation in the coming decades.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:08 am to Sao
The increase will make low-income workers worse off, not better, because it forces employers to cut back on hiring and hours to afford paying higher wages.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
This talking point is always a great way to identify people with little economic knowledge. Somewhere in 1899, there was a guy who was passionally against mechanical horses because it would negitavly effect the horse industry, and take away jobs.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:11 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:12 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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regardless of the fact that the minimum wage has steadily decreased over the last 50 years.
There is a correlation, add in the globalized economy while we are at it. The min wage is an artificial construct as well
Again, min wage jobs are virtually irrelavent. The hype for them by the far left overstates how many people are affected.
On top of that, with an average work ethic, relative sobriety and a GED no one will be working min wage for longer than a year. The key to escaping poverty is very simple in this country
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