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re: LSU Law Students attempt to Ban Steve Scalise as Graduation Speaker

Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:04 am to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43407 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:04 am to
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The true middle ground has to take back control



This will never happen as long as government is as powerful and controls as much of our lives as it does now.

There's too much money and power at stake to not try and utterly destroy the other side.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424663 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:04 am to
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That link is textbook

he's basically creating a straw man out of the opposition

a very small % of the population sees urban-black communities that way, but it's not the majority

and well-to-do white people see the same pathologies in underclass white communities and judge them as, if not more, harshly

he's creating a narrative to sell to people who believe what he believes, ignoring reality to do so. that's why their policies fail (And why they have failed the black community for 50+ years)
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67234 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:09 am to
Exactly. These pathologies are not embedded in race or in poverty, but in reliance on federal entitlement programs. All populations that utilize those programs in such a fashion exhibit the same symptoms. Everything else stems from that.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43407 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:14 am to
...or more succinctly, when you subsidize a behavior, you get more of that behavior.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:15 am to
the one thing that should really grind their gears is that entitlements may help on the surface level but they essentially suck out any progress forward that the population can make and enrich the non-underclass. food stamps support Walmart. medicaid (somewhat) supports the doctors treating kids. that money flows through the underclass into other populations and the entitlement requirements basically prevent any real wealth creation (due to limitations on salary/benefits)

even negative taxation like the child credit and EITC don't do anything long term. there is a reason why car dealers and electronics outlets ramp up advertising the first quarter of the year. that's when many of them get into the black. that money is just shifted around and the underclass is nothing more than a temporary possessor or a conduit in the system.

the only real population that benefits is the government class who gets to take a cut of the money flowing to pay their salaries/benefits

this is before you even get into discussions about moral hazards influencing culture

that's why you see speakers like him promoting all out socialism. Gary Chambers does this too. they believe in finding equity through (1) government spending going to underclass businesses and (2) "cooperative" enterprises.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424663 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:16 am to
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...or more succinctly, when you subsidize a behavior, you get more of that behavior.

kind of like subsidizing state expansion. you just get more state expansion at the detriment to certain populations

which allowed for programs like the racist redlining under the progressive god FDR

or Jim Crow laws

or the police state
Posted by SheManShe
Member since Mar 2018
228 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:29 am to
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Was Hillary Clinton not mentored by a literal highest ranking member of the KKK?

What does this have to do with Scalise speaking or not speaking at LSU?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48803 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:35 am to
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What does this have to do with Scalise speaking or not speaking at LSU


About as much as your ignorant and incorrect belief that Scalise spoke at a white supremacist rally. You have to be a complete moron to believe that. I hope you aren't one of the 3Ls at PMH.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28782 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:46 am to
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quote:
Did he not twice vote against the Martin Luther King holiday in Louisiana? Did he not speak at a white supremacist rally? Did he not speak at an anti-gay forum?


Where's my link? Second request.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82635 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:49 am to
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DONALD J. T. Louisiana STEVE IS A GREAT PATRIOT AND A GREAT FRIEND! HE WILL DELIVER A FANTASTIC SPEECH. ENJOY!


This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:50 am
Posted by SheManShe
Member since Mar 2018
228 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:52 am to
Really?
quote:

On Dec. 29, Moira Bagley Smith, a spokeswoman for Scalise, initially told the Washington Post that Scalise likely attended the event, but she distanced the Republican lawmaker from the Duke group, calling them a "hate-fueled ignorance and intolerance." Scalise told the Times-Picayune in New Orleans that he attended many events around that time to rally opposition to a proposed state tax plan. While he didn’t admit he attended, he said, "I didn't know who all of these groups were and I detest any kind of hate group. For anyone to suggest that I was involved with a group like that is insulting and ludicrous." Scalise said poor staffing in his state office resulted in a failure to vet the event. "I had one person that was working for me. When someone called and asked me to speak, I would go." On Dec. 30, Scalise said in a statement that he spoke to a group "whose views I wholeheartedly condemn," though he did not name the EURO.

In other words, he said he spoke
LINK
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45757 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:52 am to
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Why do these people want to ban a victim of gun violence and political terrorism?

His racism trumps (tee hee trumps) his surviving a gun
attack.

ETA: above is in sarcasm font.

This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:53 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262334 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:55 am to
Social justice warriors are pathalogically fearful and insecure. Probably overprotected as children
Posted by SheManShe
Member since Mar 2018
228 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am to
First link above.
Here is your second.
LINK
For MLK, look up his votes or use google
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20915 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am to
Would Barack Obama be allowed to speak? After all, he was buddies with a guy who bombed federal buildings.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17158 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:58 am to
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Progressives are groupthink retards.



Conservative Pot meet Conservative Kettle
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67234 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:59 am to
They’re really not. They just use emotional appeals as a tactic to silence dissent and shame opposition. They count on people prioritizing not injuring them over being right. In reality, their “injury” is contrived, an act, a passion play put on to shame those who won’t give them what they want. What they want is their opinions to be the only ones voices. They want power to decide for all.
Posted by Fonzarelli
Dallas
Member since Jan 2015
3974 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:00 am to
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In other words, he said he spoke


quote:

A longtime political adviser for Duke, Kenny Knight, provided several conflicting accounts of the conference and Scalise’s involvement.

Knight said he organized the event for Duke, who was living in Russia at the time and would have to speak to the conference remotely. Knight first told the Post that he booked the Best Western and invited Scalise to speak, noting that the two were neighbors.

Knight said Scalise would not have known the event was held by Duke, whose name is prominent, especially in Louisiana, and would have signaled red flags.

"I’ve known David for 40 years, so I did him a favor," Knight told the Post. "As part of that, I decided to ask Steve, our local representative, to come by and say a few words before the conference started. He agreed, believing it was going to be neighbors, friends, and family. He saw me not as David Duke’s guy, but as the president of our civic association."

Scalise spoke for 15 minutes early in the day but did not hear Duke speak, Knight said.

Knight later told Slate that Scalise didn’t speak to the conference at all, but instead addressed a gathering of the local Jefferson Heights Civic Association. Knight, who also insisted that EURO was not a white supremacist group, said he had access to the Best Western conference room all day and held the local meeting two and a half hours before the EURO event started. At least a quarter of the people in attendance during Scalise’s speech were also there for the main event, Knight said.

"I wanted to reach out to him and give him an audience so he could talk to people from his district about legislation he was proposing," Knight said. "I did that as a courtesy."

For his part, Duke said he doesn’t know if Scalise was there. As mentioned, he was in Russia at the time.

"I’ve got conflicting reports," Duke said. "One person said he was a no show, that he was scheduled to come. Another person said he did come. I just don’t know what the truth was. It seems that Mr. Scalise says that he may have (been there)."


At least give us more of the story that ruins your side.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114109 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:02 am to
Blah blah blah, we don't agree with his political views, so he shouldn't be allowed to speak. This goes for everyone, sometimes you will have to listen to people you don't agree with, but that doesn't mean they don't have something to offer. Part of what makes this country so great is that people are allowed to have their own views and the mindset that just because you don't agree with them so you want to ban them from speaking is shite terrorist does.

While you are not strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing shite up over it, you are still trying to prevent a man from speaking and force everyone to only hear the shite you agree with.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39988 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:03 am to
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First link above.
Here is your second.
LINK
For MLK, look up his votes or use google

It's really not up for debate that many years ago he spoke at what many would consider a "racist" group and also voted against MLK day on multiple occasions. However, I'd hope the primary issue is that it's pathetic and embarrassing to try and use this as an opportunity to make a statement against him. I'm no fan of Scalise but if I were graduating this year I would be pretty thrilled to hear him speak. Commencement speakers don't generally stand up and lecture graduating classes on politics. I'd imagine he has a lot of valuable, interesting things to say to people going out into the world, particularly people entering the legal or political world. And he's been through quite a bit lately and has had some beyond-fascinating life experiences. I can't help but wonder when people will stop trying to shut down anything or anyone they don't 100% agree with. It's a childish and counter-productive move. Just let him talk, take from it what you want and move on with your life. It's so exhausting the way everyone now has to be labeled exclusively by their political affiliation. frick.
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