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re: Dandy Don clearing up the new signing rules
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:29 am to Indiana Tiger
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:29 am to Indiana Tiger
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Dandy Don clearing up the new signing rules by Indiana Tiger
The ambiguity in the rule is due to our minds wanting to justify something different; not the rule itself. Take your bitch for example:
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A kid can't be an initial counter at multiple schools. If he is correct then the word initial needs to be removed from the term. The kicker was an initial counter because he had never been on scholarship. Therefore he is being "counted" for the first time or initially.
It is manifestly obvious that the rule is written from the perspective of an individual school. The limit is 25, not 3200 or whatever 25 times the number of FBS schools is. If the rule meant to exclude someone who signed anywhere else, it would have to say anywhere else like it explicitly does for walk ons of 2+ years.
The rule is pretty clear when you get your head straight. Anyone who signs a promise of or an award of a scholarship counts, except for those explicitly excluded.
They did not totally change the rule, they modified parts of it. They changed the counting window from a 5 month limited window to the entire year. They did not change the definition of "initial counter" - get your head wrapped around that.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 7:31 am to cfmalloy
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Correct, I agree. Absolutely. Plus, Seth Stewart withdrew before the season started, he gets to be replaced, and Jefferson signed late - as in outside the 2017 counting period window, albeit after the new annual count/year-long counting window kicked in ... starting with the 2018 class (Not the 2017 class that he was a part of). There were 5 EEs last year)2017) and 3 EEs in 2016 (when not all the 25 were used either, adding to the cumulative back counter credit carryforward. And transfers not previously on scholarship count but transfers previously on scholarship are NOT "initial counters" and do not count against the annual cap limit of 25 initial counters. They do count against the overall cap limit of 85 counters which is cumulative with initial/first time counters and prior counters, but that's a different cap limit.
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They did not totally change the rule, they modified parts of it. They changed the counting window from a 5 month limited window to the entire year. They did not change the definition of "initial counter" - get your head wrapped around that.
Your mistake is that you think initial counters actually matter in this discussion. In this regard the compliance guy is guilty of using sloppy language too. As you point out initial counter is defined with specific meaning in the manual. The manual also states all the limits you mentioned. But there is one little problem. Because of a new rule, they don't count initial counters for this purpose.
Here is the new rule from a previous post: (15.5.1.9.1). What they count now are signings, not initial counters. Because initial counters can never be greater than the number of signings, the latter reaches the defined limit first and is thus controlling. In this context references to initial counter could be deleted from the manual (there may be a reason for it in other circumstances but that would take a thorough review).
There are only three exceptions in the new rule:
o if Lindsey Scott Jr returned to LSU, he wouldn't count because this would be his 2nd signing with LSU
o the 2+ year walk on
o The rare kid whose college career is over before he shows up due to some unfortunate circumstances. About 10 yrs or so ago LSU signed a kid who injured his neck. We kept him on scholarship. I think after he graduated he gave football a go and maybe played for the Saints.
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