re: So when do we actually start giving O some credit?

O humpers come out early and in numbers. O has never won anything as a head coach, never accomplished anything or shown any leadership qualities. Joe righted the ship when he stepped in and told the buffoon to get out of the offense and stick to calling time outs and try to concentrate on knowing who was in the starting line up week to week, especially at running back. Since O's censure by the head of the athletic department and his limited input on the offensive side of the ball, we have had much better success.