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so if an opposing team is getting close late in a game they will subconsciously start to panic and look much harder for a call in bamas favor. Such as a timely drive killing call to swing the momentum back into the good guys (bamas) favor.

This also applys to Auburn and even Florida to some extent for some reason.

Occasionally, once the bias becomes much to obvious, they may call some random play in LSU's favor just to give themselves some defense and something that they can point to to try to show that they aren't biased.

Do you really believe this is how "subconscious officiating" works. Bottom line is all refs have some slight bias, but more times than not it's a bias for the team that is supposed to be "better". That's why it's not something isolated to just Bama teams or even SEC teams for that matter.

I posted this link last season and was crucified by the fans here. Bottom line is it's all about the money generating schools with the best playoff hopes. That's the real bias in NCAAF. They need to create a separate officiating office they report to which is unrelated to any conference. It's the only way to improve the officiating and help solve this issue, imo.

Eta: all the posters here saying well look at all these bad calls against lsu are failing to remember ones for lsu. It's fan bias. It's much easier to remember a hold that cost us the game than a hold that won us a game.

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Posted by la_birdman

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Posted on 10/27/17 at 1:53 am to Tiger Tracker

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Fan bias?

The fans aren't the ones throwing flags. Yes, some calls have gone our way but more haven't gone our way. That's what the premise of this thread is about.

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Bottom line is all refs have some slight bias

That's the problem. I don't care who is a graduate of what school, if you are an official, in any conference, everyone expects the ref to be a neutral body and call the game equally and fair.

Marcel Dareus speared JJ right with the crown of the helmet in one of the games JJ was the QB here and there was no flag. Not even a review. I'm aware the review for targeting didn't exist then but targeting did. There are 6 refs out there and not one said, "Hmmm, maybe that's a no no."

Showing bias to one team, even if that team is "supposed to be better" is irrelevant. Goes back to being a neutral body calling the game fairly.

Refs are expected to call the games fairly. I don't think that's too much to ask.

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money generating schools with the best playoff hopes

Unless things have changed, the money generated doesn't stay with the team that goes to the playoffs. It's dispersed equally to all the teams in the SEC. It isn't limited to just one team.

That's why teams left the Big 12. Texas gets a huge chunk of the revenue and other teams get little. It simply isn't fair.

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Posted by Tiger Ree

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Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:18 am to Tiger Tracker

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That's why it's not something isolated to just Bama teams or even SEC teams for that matter.

True. My posts in this thread have been more about the criminal actions of the refs in the 2009 Ark-UF game - especially the two horrendous non-existent penalties on UF's game winning final drive.

It's really not a Bama bias but a who's better bias. That's why LSU won at Bama at 2011. Both teams were undefeated and LSU appeared to maybe be the better team, but it didn't really matter who won - as evidenced by the NC game that year.

Not all conferences practice this though. In 2013 Northern Illinois was 12-0 and had a legitimate shot at a BCS bowl. Bowling Green won the MAC title game shattering those hopes. I remember thinking that I had a lot of respect for a conference allowing that to happen. But, then when I realized all of the money the conference lost, maybe it was a STUPID thing to do.
Bowling Green wins MAC title, ruins Northern Illinois' BCS hopes

The same thing happened in 2015 with Houston. They were 10-0 with impressive wins and the conference allowed them to lose to UCONN. Respectful - yes, very. Smart - probably cost the conference a lot of money.

In other conferences you will see teams have great years and then unravel the last game or couple games of the season. This doesn't happen in the SEC. Too much money at stake.

I see why the SEC does what it does, but I also think it should be a federal crime to allow it or encourage it to happen.

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That's the real bias in NCAAF. They need to create a separate officiating office they report to which is unrelated to any conference

Agree like stated in the link you provided. NCAA basketball using pools of refs and football should do it also.

"Unlike in NCAA basketball, which draws referees from pools overseen by groups of conferences, most football referees are hired, trained, rewarded, and disciplined by individual conferences. That means officials are entrusted with making decisions that could hurt their employers—as with the call in the Clemson-FSU game. Clemson was the ACC team with the better shot at making the College Football Playoff and the financial bonanza it dangles.

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Eta: all the posters here saying well look at all these bad calls against lsu are failing to remember ones for lsu. It's fan bias. It's much easier to remember a hold that cost us the game than a hold that won us a game.

When a team wins and the opposing fans bring up officiating it is easy to regard it as complaining about your team beating theirs. LSU fans will do it after a game against Ole Miss, Bama fans will do it after a game against LSU.

Bottom line is there is a definite bias in officiating for college football - except the MAC and AAC anyway. If I was a ref and cost my conference over $20 million for calling a straight-up game I would be VERY concerned with my employment status for the upcoming season.

Something needs to be done to correct the problem and pools of refs is probably the easiest and cheapest way to do it.

A person would have to be a full-blown idiot to think that a definite bias in college football officiating doesn't exist.

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