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re: Drew Brees, Not Tom Brady, Really Is the G.O.A.T.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:22 am to Magazine St
Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:22 am to Magazine St
Not sure what point you are trying to make. You are saying the only great football players have to be good at multiple positions/roles? If so that’s the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard.
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:31 am to bountyhunter
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Not sure what point you are trying to make. You are saying the only great football players have to be good at multiple positions/roles? If so that’s the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard.
Yeah this makes no sense.
for case of argument there are 8 different types of positions on an NFL team
Defensive back
Linebacker
Defensive Line
Offensive Line
WR
Tight end
Running Back/FullBack
QB
Every player you might consider greatest at their position. Jerry Rice, Reggie White, Deon Sanders, Barry Sanders. (not arguing on if you think another player deserves this spot either its strictly opinion based admittedly)
Would be Terrible at least 6 of the 8 other positions than their own. They might be decent at another position I.E. Rice might could play DB, Reggie white Might could play OL, Sanders (either) might could play WR but they wouldn't be good at it.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:36 am to VA LSU fan
How many receivers have come and gone?
Sounds like none because Brees makes them all great.
Brees makes bad throws and great receivers catch them. Leaders are not due to Brees. Playing the game the right way is not about Brees. Colston was a great receiver period.
Sounds like none because Brees makes them all great.
Brees makes bad throws and great receivers catch them. Leaders are not due to Brees. Playing the game the right way is not about Brees. Colston was a great receiver period.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:51 am to LSUgal1988
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Brees has great statistics and has been a great QB. However, a good portion of his numbers are garbage time stats. Brees is a top 20 QB all time,but not top 10.
This is statistically false. Not only that, the numbers showed that he was actually well below the average.
Another question: at what point in the super bowl did it stop being garbage stats for Brady and start being regular?
I'll sit here and wait for you to back up your claim
Posted on 10/24/17 at 7:58 am to Jizzy08
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Colston was unbelievably underrated.
I never watched any NFL player willing to take poundings from DBs and LBs the way Colston did during his time with the Saints.
There were a number of times I was convinced he was not getting up but he did and continued playing on.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:01 am to SirWinston
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Breauxmosexual got my back
Might want to rephrase that one Winston
Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:01 am to breauxmosexual
He threw for 5200 yards last year. Yet somehow he has had decreasing arm strength.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:39 am to LSUgal1988
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Brees has great statistics and has been a great QB. However, a good portion of his numbers are garbage time stats. Brees is a top 20 QB all time,but not top 10.
140 wins 107 losses with defenses that are almost never above average....
You couldn’t name 10 guys that are better than Brees and do you realize that many of what people call “garbage time stats” are during comeback drives and high scoring shootouts? Anyone that holds that against Brees doesn’t know the game. It seems like you’re trying to penalize him for the front office/coaches not building a better team around a HoF QB.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 8:40 am
Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:57 am to LSUgal1988
quote:The reason Brees' stats are in "garbage time" is because he had to play with the Saints' garbage defense most of his career.
Brees has great statistics and has been a great QB. However, a good portion of his numbers are garbage time stats. Brees is a top 20 QB all time,but not top 10.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 8:57 am to bountyhunter
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Not sure what point you are trying to make. You are saying the only great football players have to be good at multiple positions/roles? If so that’s the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard.
The point I made there is that was that Brady should be ranked as the greatest QB ever (He surpassed Montana in my opinion after winning the SB last season.) I look at the fact that there are more physically gifted people in the history of league that rival him in many categories. His arm talent and mental abilities on the field are what makes him unique. His coach and above average defenses make him a 5x SB winner. I’ll give him the QB crown based on his track record, but by his physical traits and limitations I couldn’t say he’s the best football player that the NFL has ever seen. He’s been the QB of some great teams just wins games, you can’t argue against that at all.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:53 am to Magazine St
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I’ll give him the QB crown based on his track record, but by his physical traits and limitations I couldn’t say he’s the best football player that the NFL has ever seen
so for you football = physical prowess and that's it? That's another dumb argument.
You practice and train for the position you play. QB back is mostly working on accuracy, reading defenses, and knowing the playbook. You spend more time in the film room than any other player because that is what the position calls for. You don't have the luxury of extra gym hours and working out because it's more critical for you to have a solid game plan.
But to you that's a detriment?? Dumb argument is Dumb.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:46 am to mindbreaker
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so for you football = physical prowess and that's it? That's another dumb argument.
You practice and train for the position you play. QB back is mostly working on accuracy, reading defenses, and knowing the playbook. You spend more time in the film room than any other player because that is what the position calls for. You don't have the luxury of extra gym hours and working out because it's more critical for you to have a solid game plan.
But to you that's a detriment?? Dumb argument is Dumb.
In everything I have stated I’ve mentioned ability, accomplishments, and talent. So no prowess isn’t the end all be all. The dumb part is that you are reading way too much into it, There are far too many positions of expertise to rate one against another to declare a QB as the greatest.
You’re making a mountain out of a molehill...
So in all of your need to argue, do you believe Brady has earned the right to be called the “greatest NFL football player ever?
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:32 am to Magazine St
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So in all of your need to argue, do you believe Brady has earned the right to be called the “greatest NFL football player ever?
Well that's the discussion
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here are far too many positions of expertise to rate one against another to declare a QB as the greatest.
Meh, there really isn't
Almost like you can form an opinion then support the argument after.
You can easily make the argument that the most important individual position is QB making the best player likely a QB.
But hey, he can't run routes
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:07 pm to LSUgal1988
SB sadly are the only thing that matters. Repost when Drew has more.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:31 pm to breauxmosexual
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Brady has the stats that matter (not garbage time) and the rings. The dude has thrown like 5 interceptions over the last 2 and a half years
System QB. Brady on any other team never wins a ring. If Cassel can step in and lead that team to 11-5, then Brady is just average. Belechick is the GOAT on that team not Brady.
Look at least year 3-1 without Brady.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:32 pm to 1BamaRTR
And he threw for 330 on Sunday and not one ball was thrown with authority that day. You can rack up a ton of yards with screens and slants. It's amazing to me that you think total passing yards and arm strength are correlated
Peyton Manning broke the NFL single season passing yards record with one of the weakest arms this league as ever seen.
Do you think Brandin Cooks was making that stuff up? I'll go with his word over "bamaRTRs" eye test
Peyton Manning broke the NFL single season passing yards record with one of the weakest arms this league as ever seen.
Do you think Brandin Cooks was making that stuff up? I'll go with his word over "bamaRTRs" eye test
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:14 pm to breauxmosexual
Didn't he lead the NFL in deep passing last year too?
I was at the game and on the field before it. AR couldn't throw downfield in that wind in the first half. We adjusted to it after waisting 2-3 possessions in the first half. He missed deep once they switched in the 2nd. A lot more horizontal routes downfield.
That wind was cold and brutal early in that game though. Ginn couldn't catch a punt cleanly in warm ups either. It wasn't the best coached or played 1Q.
Can you quote Cooks on that? Or is that just the Ian "sources"?
I'll go with the numbers over your eye tests. He sure made Denver look silly last year
I was at the game and on the field before it. AR couldn't throw downfield in that wind in the first half. We adjusted to it after waisting 2-3 possessions in the first half. He missed deep once they switched in the 2nd. A lot more horizontal routes downfield.
That wind was cold and brutal early in that game though. Ginn couldn't catch a punt cleanly in warm ups either. It wasn't the best coached or played 1Q.
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Do you think Brandin Cooks was making that stuff up? I'll go with his word over "bamaRTRs" eye test
Can you quote Cooks on that? Or is that just the Ian "sources"?
I'll go with the numbers over your eye tests. He sure made Denver look silly last year
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:59 pm to 9WhoDat37
Deep ball accuracy is not the same as arm strength.
Brees can no longer through it through those tight windows he did from 06-13. That's ok he can still be very effective.
Brees can no longer through it through those tight windows he did from 06-13. That's ok he can still be very effective.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:10 pm to breauxmosexual
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Deep ball accuracy is not the same as arm strength.
Well it is when we're talking about being able to hit players downfield, isn't it?
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Brees can no longer through it through those tight windows he did from 06-13
Pretty nice ones here ... That bomb to Lewis
He's done it plenty of times this year. I recall a nice one to Thomas off PA in the 2nd half
You should go watch the last drive of the Denver game
He's got plenty of arm strength left in the tank. What's really funny is that Brady rarely puts the ball in tight places.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:11 pm to 9WhoDat37
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quote: So in all of your need to argue, do you believe Brady has earned the right to be called the “greatest NFL football player ever? Well that's the discussion quote: here are far too many positions of expertise to rate one against another to declare a QB as the greatest.
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Meh, there really isn't
22 different positions being played on the field at all times.
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Almost like you can form an opinion then support the argument after. You can easily make the argument that the most important individual position is QB making the best player likely a QB.
But hey, he can't run routes
QBs obviously make the passing game what it is, but the game is won in the trenches. So the argument could go to line play being the principal factor for every team’s success.
When it’s all said and done.....I hope Brees breaks every major NFL passing record. This would help his case vs the Brady, Montana, and Manning. I just don’t agree with the post about Brady being the best football player ever. I have my opinion of athleticism being valued as much as stats and accomplishments. Hell, Drew is probably 3-5 times the athlete that Brady is, that takes nothing away from Brady, or the value of where he should rank on other people’s list.
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