Started By
Message
locked post

David Brooks of all people "gets" what happened with Google. Calls for CEO to resign.

Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:19 am
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:19 am
He of "I foolishly brought a high school educated friend to a high end delicatessen and embarrassed her" fame manages to cut through the BS, which is shocking. But credit where credit is due.

LINK

quote:

There are many actors in the whole Google/diversity drama, but I’d say the one who’s behaved the worst is the C.E.O., Sundar Pichai.

The first actor is James Damore, who wrote the memo. In it, he was trying to explain why 80 percent of Google’s tech employees are male. He agreed that there are large cultural biases but also pointed to a genetic component. Then he described some of the ways the distribution of qualities differs across male and female populations.

Damore was tapping into the long and contentious debate about genes and behavior. On one side are those who believe that humans come out as blank slates and are formed by social structures. On the other are the evolutionary psychologists who argue that genes interact with environment and play a large role in shaping who we are. In general the evolutionary psychologists have been winning this debate.


quote:

In his memo, Damore cites a series of studies, making the case, for example, that men tend to be more interested in things and women more interested in people. (Interest is not the same as ability.) Several scientists in the field have backed up his summary of the data. “Despite how it’s been portrayed, the memo was fair and factually accurate,” Debra Soh wrote in The Globe and Mail in Toronto.


quote:

Geoffrey Miller, a prominent evolutionary psychologist, wrote in Quillette, “For what it’s worth, I think that almost all of the Google memo’s empirical claims are scientifically accurate.”

Damore was especially careful to say this research applies only to populations, not individuals: “Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population-level distributions.”


quote:

What we have is a legitimate tension. Damore is describing a truth on one level; his sensible critics are describing a different truth, one that exists on another level. He is championing scientific research; they are championing gender equality. It takes a little subtlety to harmonize these strands, but it’s doable.

Of course subtlety is in hibernation in modern America. The third player in the drama is Google’s diversity officer, Danielle Brown. She didn’t wrestle with any of the evidence behind Damore’s memo. She just wrote his views “advanced incorrect assumptions about gender.” This is ideology obliterating reason.


quote:

The fourth actor is the media. The coverage of the memo has been atrocious.


quote:

As Conor Friedersdorf wrote in The Atlantic, “I cannot remember the last time so many outlets and observers mischaracterized so many aspects of a text everyone possessed.” Various reporters and critics apparently decided that Damore opposes all things Enlightened People believe and therefore they don’t have to afford him the basic standards of intellectual fairness.

The mob that hounded Damore was like the mobs we’ve seen on a lot of college campuses. We all have our theories about why these moral crazes are suddenly so common. I’d say that radical uncertainty about morality, meaning and life in general is producing intense anxiety. Some people embrace moral absolutism in a desperate effort to find solid ground. They feel a rare and comforting sense of moral certainty when they are purging an evil person who has violated one of their sacred taboos.


quote:

Which brings us to Pichai, the supposed grown-up in the room. He could have wrestled with the tension between population-level research and individual experience. He could have stood up for the free flow of information. Instead he joined the mob. He fired Damore and wrote, “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not O.K.”

That is a blatantly dishonest characterization of the memo. Damore wrote nothing like that about his Google colleagues. Either Pichai is unprepared to understand the research (unlikely), is not capable of handling complex data flows (a bad trait in a C.E.O.) or was simply too afraid to stand up to a mob.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:26 am
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43391 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:22 am to
Wow. I'm rather surprised. Props to Brooks.

Also, the sheer irony of proggies saying evolutionary psychology is horseshite yet you dare question the holy scripture of global warming and you are a blasphemer.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57387 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:27 am to
quote:

As Conor Friedersdorf wrote in The Atlantic, “I cannot remember the last time so many outlets and observers mischaracterized so many aspects of a text everyone possessed.” Various reporters and critics apparently decided that Damore opposes all things Enlightened People believe and therefore they don’t have to afford him the basic standards of intellectual fairness.
This is because the media has decided their role is to influence rather than inform.

Should scare the hell out of us. But it didn't start with this memo.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:28 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423450 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:29 am to
quote:

“To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not O.K.”


"reality is not OK'

-science denier
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
7669 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:32 am to
:golfclap:
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83631 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:36 am to
nothing in that memo should have triggered anyone

this was just a perfect example of an emotional mob that needed to destroy someone

Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Of course subtlety is in hibernation in modern America. The third player in the drama is Google’s diversity officer, Danielle Brown. She didn’t wrestle with any of the evidence behind Damore’s memo. She just wrote his views “advanced incorrect assumptions about gender.” This is ideology obliterating reason


Progressive totalitarianism at work.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140733 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:01 am to
Calling their behavior mob like is about as accurate as one can get and still be polite.
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2661 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:25 am to
A good article and take on things. This reminds me of global warming. We all agree it is happening to a degree but the evidence is all over the map -- and very little of it seems correlated to CO2. It fits far better with cycles of the sun and even the use of CFCs in aerosols (stopped 15-20 years ago). But if you say anything against the orthodoxy, watch out!
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:34 am to
I actually agree with both sides here. There is a reason why STEM fields attract men, and disattracts women. It is both cultural issues and biological issues.

I applaud pushes to make the STEM fields less sexist. I work in STEM, and I can tell you that there is rampant sexism. It is frightening to see. I had a boss that made one of my female coworkers go to a strip club! She refused to file a complaint too, as she didn't want to be a squeaky wheel.
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
Member since Feb 2012
3857 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:16 am to
How Orwellian. The thought police have become our media, universities and corporations. The orthodoxy of egalitarianism must be followed. All dissenters will be purged.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

He fired Damore and wrote, “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not O.K.”

That's one of the most intellectually dishonest statements I've ever seen. I can't believe that comes from a CEO of a company in the science field.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24783 posts
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

On one side are those who believe that humans come out as blank slates and are formed by social structures. On the other are the evolutionary psychologists who argue that genes interact with environment and play a large role in shaping who we are.


OK. So now the liberals believe that we are a blank slate and are formed by social structures. We need to reform the social structures in order to get a better outcome. If you don't agree with that, you need to be fired and publicly humiliated.

But, of course, when it comes to LBGTs, it is completely the opposite. They were born that way, and nothing can change that.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 1Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram