re: Is anyone else laughing about this "red line" media creation?

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fficially, but at the time you couldn't turn around with a Bush apologist playing the "Saddam is evil" card as well.

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well yeah Obama did the same shite with gaddafi to justify Iraq Vol 2: Libya. however, people who opposed military action weren't defending gaddafi (except the CTs like TX Tiger who thought that war was over getting off the petro dollar)

same with Asasd and Syria. pretty much everyone agrees he's a villain. it's just he's very possibly the best option among a population of replacements that are all also villains.

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then why do you keep talking about how evil Kim is?

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because that part of the discussion is how insane the media is being comparing Trump's "red line" to basically anything Kim has ever done. like i said, there are people who are promoting the idea that Trump is on the same level of blame (i used "villain status") as Kim Jong Un. that is legit insanity, especially given just how terrible of a leader and person Kim Jong Un is (and has been)

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No, I'm trying to rationally look at the situation because my goal is to avoid a nuclear war.

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i advise you not creating a narrative that the one person who could have stopped this path, is somehow a sympathetic figure

this is not some Greek Tragedy where fate has created this path that the protagonist could not avoid

he held all the cards and chose this path