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re: Why aren't these conservative geniuses talking about repealing the 17th?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:48 am to udtiger
Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:48 am to udtiger
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This statement evidences your misunderstanding (or ignorance) regarding the importance of the pre-17th Amendment system
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Regardless of corruption or party (and there was plenty of each), the "old" system required the Senators to be answerable to the STATE GOVERNMENTS, not the citizenry
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The Constitution (the Founders) realized that all governments will naturally seek to aggrandize power, so one necessary check on the national government was to let the states have a DIRECT influence on the national government (by giving it a direct influence on legislation).
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Do you honestly think there would be unfunded mandates, or all sorts of other impositions on state authority, by the national government if Senators had to answer to the governors/legislators of their states?
Yes.
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Do you think that the tax system would be so incredibly weighted to the feds so that it is almost impossible for states to raise taxes, resulting in some of the current fiscal situations that exist (some of which are due to required state spending under federal law)?
Yes.
You all have an incredibly warped sense of history that you attempt to fit to your ideals. But its cool that you regurgitate the Allen Wests and Mike Huckabees of the world who have no fricking idea what they are talking about, but have the skill to talk and convince some that they do.
You all should study Congress prior to 1912. It is obvious that you have little to no understanding of how they actually operated.
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:54 am to 5thTiger
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You all should study Congress prior to 1912. It is obvious that you have little to no understanding of how they actually operated.
Obviously, you have not.
Otherwise, you would have seen hardly any legislation directly affecting states (and state governments) getting passed. It's no accident that the explosion of legislation and regulation interfering with and eroding/destroying state authority in favor of the feds comes after the ratification of the 17th Amendment.
But, please, feel free to use some more emojis.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:55 am to 5thTiger
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You all have an incredibly warped sense of history that you attempt to fit to your ideals.
I'm sorry you're an idiot. My condolences to your family.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 4:39 pm to 5thTiger
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You all have an incredibly warped sense of history that you attempt to fit to your ideals. But its cool that you regurgitate the Allen Wests and Mike Huckabees of the world who have no fricking idea what they are talking about, but have the skill to talk and convince some that they do.
You all should study Congress prior to 1912. It is obvious that you have little to no understanding of how they actually operated.
Your post says nothing.
How did Congress operate prior to 1912?
And why or why not is it a good idea to repeal the 17th?
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 8/2/17 at 5:02 pm to 5thTiger
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You all should study Congress prior to 1912.
Prior to 1912 and the 17th amendment, massive and abusive programs like SNAP, the patriot act, medicaid and medicare, and other entitlement programs and other security acts that enhanced the power of the feds didn't have a shot in hell of getting passed into law.
That is what the whole point of senators being appointed by state governments was about and that's preventing the feds taking away power from them and passing costs onto them.
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