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Automation: What do we do with the truly UNSKILLED that are no longer needed?
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:01 pm
All, as the world starts moving towards replacing humans that perform such jobs as cashiers, fast food workers, and now auditing in real time the shelves at grocery stores, what do we do with the humans that were performing these low skill/low hourly wage positions?
I'm not talking about the high school kid working at McDs or stocking shelve for pocket money, but the bigger concern are those people that have mistaken these positions as careers rather than stop-gaps while they garner more skills or education to get a true career.
It seems that even if 90% of the people in these jobs currently have an "exit" strategy via schooling (college/trade school, whatever) that still leaves 10% of these workers that are going to have nothing to do as they are no longer necessary.
Are we destined to just have a segment of society that literally is unqualified or needed to do anything? What do we do with these folks? Guaranteed national wage?
It's going to be an interesting time these next 10-20 years as automation really is brought to the forefront.
Meet Tally:
Simbe Robotics
I'm not talking about the high school kid working at McDs or stocking shelve for pocket money, but the bigger concern are those people that have mistaken these positions as careers rather than stop-gaps while they garner more skills or education to get a true career.
It seems that even if 90% of the people in these jobs currently have an "exit" strategy via schooling (college/trade school, whatever) that still leaves 10% of these workers that are going to have nothing to do as they are no longer necessary.
Are we destined to just have a segment of society that literally is unqualified or needed to do anything? What do we do with these folks? Guaranteed national wage?
It's going to be an interesting time these next 10-20 years as automation really is brought to the forefront.
Meet Tally:
Simbe Robotics
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 1:03 pm
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:04 pm to Covingtontiger77
Speed bumps
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
It will be tough on those folks who are in the these jobs at the moment it happens, but history has shown us that there will always be a need for low wage workers.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
Soylent Green
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
There's always landscaping and construction. Gonna be a while until we get robots that can build a house or pour concrete.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
First we have to restructure our entitlement program where having more children is not rewarded.
Real life decisions have to have consequences. We CANNOT have unskilled, unproductive people that are supported by the government giving birth to more unskilled people.
Real life decisions have to have consequences. We CANNOT have unskilled, unproductive people that are supported by the government giving birth to more unskilled people.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:06 pm to Covingtontiger77
They could become journalists.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:11 pm to Covingtontiger77
The problem is that we give them the option to not produce anything. If we didn't put up all of these insane barriers to enter into new markets and didn't create these massive incentives to stay put and avoid working and innovating, automation wouldn't be eliminating jobs, it would just be changing them. The free market would result in innovations creating entire new industries worth of work for people OR those unskilled would get with the program and learn skills.
The only reason the above doesn't happen is due to insane government interference.
The only reason the above doesn't happen is due to insane government interference.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:17 pm to Covingtontiger77
Erect a colosseum and let the games begin.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:18 pm to Covingtontiger77
Universal Basic Income is going to soon be a requirement. 5% of the workforce their jobs are directly connected to driving, and those jobs will be gone within 20 years. That will be huge.
I'm sure we'll go kicking and screaming, but it will soon be necessary, and 100 years from now, I don't think anyone will be working unless they actually want to.
I'm sure we'll go kicking and screaming, but it will soon be necessary, and 100 years from now, I don't think anyone will be working unless they actually want to.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:19 pm to Covingtontiger77
Turn their hooves into glue. 
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:19 pm to Covingtontiger77
We could just Matrix them and use their bodies as an organ bank.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:20 pm to Covingtontiger77
Did you not learn anything from Trump's deal with Carrier?
You get Mike Pence to give you 7 mil in tax breaks to help pay for the automation.
Here is the kicker. You get a group of people to believe you are "saving their jobs" during an election year. Next thing you know? An upside-down candy corn is President. The Pence is VP. The computer puts your sorry arse on the street and you made America great again!
Oh! And the parent company is still selling us shitty jet engines.
#MAGA
You get Mike Pence to give you 7 mil in tax breaks to help pay for the automation.
Here is the kicker. You get a group of people to believe you are "saving their jobs" during an election year. Next thing you know? An upside-down candy corn is President. The Pence is VP. The computer puts your sorry arse on the street and you made America great again!
Oh! And the parent company is still selling us shitty jet engines.
#MAGA
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:21 pm to Covingtontiger77
Military. We will just conquer the world and these minions will be our Army. They can keep their conquered lands and stay there.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:21 pm to Covingtontiger77
Maybe they can be councilors at the camps.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:22 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Automation: What do we do with the truly UNSKILLED that are no longer needed?
*Damnit should have figured on a two page thread that somebody would have beat me to it
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:34 pm to Covingtontiger77
The problem will take care of itself just as it always has. In Ice Age Eurasia, only those capable of planning ahead for the winter survived -- this means the intelligence of the average person rose accordingly as the gene pool normalized itself. Along with intelligence, those that didn't develop certain genetic traits (fair skin for vitamin D absorption) were weeded out of the gene pool. In other words, those that were maladapted to the environment either died or didn't reproduce.
The same will happen in a future robotic world. It's just hard to tell exactly what our adaptation will be. I see one of two scenarios:
1) The human population takes a major nosedive because the vast majority of humans simply aren't needed anymore. Those that aren't able to engineer and/or upkeep artificial intelligence systems will be weeded out of the gene pool naturally.
2) The opposite happens and the human population continues to rise. It could be that the AI makes life so easy that even retards and imbeciles can live like kings without being a burden on anyone else. The robots will essentially be our sugar daddies.
Both scenarios have their problems. In the first scenario all but the most specialized humans are essentially replaced by robots. In the second, most humans end up living a worthless existence of luxury with no purpose.
The same will happen in a future robotic world. It's just hard to tell exactly what our adaptation will be. I see one of two scenarios:
1) The human population takes a major nosedive because the vast majority of humans simply aren't needed anymore. Those that aren't able to engineer and/or upkeep artificial intelligence systems will be weeded out of the gene pool naturally.
2) The opposite happens and the human population continues to rise. It could be that the AI makes life so easy that even retards and imbeciles can live like kings without being a burden on anyone else. The robots will essentially be our sugar daddies.
Both scenarios have their problems. In the first scenario all but the most specialized humans are essentially replaced by robots. In the second, most humans end up living a worthless existence of luxury with no purpose.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:40 pm to Covingtontiger77
I believe eventually the answer will be Universal Basic Income.
That will come with its own set of problems, however.
That will come with its own set of problems, however.
Posted on 7/27/17 at 1:46 pm to Covingtontiger77
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What do we do with the truly UNSKILLED that are no longer needed?
Innovation create opportunity. Economies are ever changing and evolving. Don't assume that automation eliminating jobs leads to less opportunity for low income wages. Automation will create some low income job that none of us have even thought of to off set the jobs it replaced. It has happened throughout history and will continue to happen.
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