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re: NYT's David Brooks reaches unprecedented levels of woke in his Op-Ed
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:50 am to Damone
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:50 am to Damone
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Recently I took a friend with only a high school degree to lunch. Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop. Suddenly I saw her face freeze up as she was confronted with sandwiches named “Padrino” and “Pomodoro” and ingredients like soppressata, capicollo and a striata baguette. I quickly asked her if she wanted to go somewhere else and she anxiously nodded yes and we ate Mexican.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:50 am to LSUTigersVCURams
All I got from this is that he eats at over priced hipster shops with shitty food
Domilise's would shame that place
Domilise's would shame that place
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
"Those zoning requirements (especially in the specific areas he listed) are a creation of his bubble."
I prefer to argue about policy instead of pointing hypocrisy but this rankles me. It does seem that a lot of coastal elites want plenty of low-income, government subsidized but they have such strict zoning that no such housing can ever exist around them.
I prefer to argue about policy instead of pointing hypocrisy but this rankles me. It does seem that a lot of coastal elites want plenty of low-income, government subsidized but they have such strict zoning that no such housing can ever exist around them.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:52 am to Damone
Wow.............
I mean. I have a lot more but
fricking wow
I mean. I have a lot more but
fricking wow
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:52 am to Damone
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upper-middle-class Americans have embraced behavior codes that put cultivating successful children at the center of life
Umm, the codes of behavior are pretty simple:
1. Get at least a college education in a marketable degree.
2. Stay out of trouble.
3. Don't do drugs.
4. Don't have children out of wedlock.
5. Don't get into unsustainable debt.
6. Be polite and friendly to people...don't be an a-hole.
7. Don't drink excessively, don't smoke, and wear your seat belt.
8. And you might want to go to church at least every once in a while.
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So, so many layers to peel through. Insensitively invited her to an upscale delicatessen. Structural bigotry has kept this woman from learning Italian and knowing about the intricacies of salted, cured meats. And the cherry on top is, despite all of the foregoing, he tosses out "Mexican" as some cheap, easily understandable food that everyone can relate to.
Bravo.
Yeah that a-hole definitely played the race card here.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:53 am to Damone
So the college educated class culture is superior for raising children?! Wow! Bombshell!
So parents (two is superior to one) work hard in their youth, and delay gratification until they graduate from college.
Then they work hard to create opportunities for their loved ones.
Then they insisted that their children's schools, teachers, and curriculum actually function.
Then they force their children to live in the superior culture. Work hard. Delay gratification. Make opportunities. Insist on functionality. Pass on the superior culture to the grand kids. How did they keep something so simple secret so long?
That part is even easier to accomplish.
First, vote democratic on all levels.
Second, allow these governments from the Department of Education, to state and local school boards implement policies and hire administrators to prioritize political power first, protect incompetent teachers second, and worry about the children last.
Third, do not let the good parents succeed. Don't allow vouchers and real school choice measures. And publicly downgrade the superior culture as elite, gentrified, too white, and hopelessly old fashioned. Support all political, educational, and culturally popular efforts to glorify inferior cultures as diverse, modern, popular, and egalitarian!
Lastly, don't try to help those on the bottom rung up; just kick some of the top rungers down. Example:
So don't help her broaden her horizons. Don't explain what the offerings are. Take the dumb arsed high school educated be-itch to Taco Bell!
So parents (two is superior to one) work hard in their youth, and delay gratification until they graduate from college.
Then they work hard to create opportunities for their loved ones.
Then they insisted that their children's schools, teachers, and curriculum actually function.
Then they force their children to live in the superior culture. Work hard. Delay gratification. Make opportunities. Insist on functionality. Pass on the superior culture to the grand kids. How did they keep something so simple secret so long?
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They have also become devastatingly good at making sure the children of other classes have limited chances to join their ranks.
That part is even easier to accomplish.
First, vote democratic on all levels.
Second, allow these governments from the Department of Education, to state and local school boards implement policies and hire administrators to prioritize political power first, protect incompetent teachers second, and worry about the children last.
Third, do not let the good parents succeed. Don't allow vouchers and real school choice measures. And publicly downgrade the superior culture as elite, gentrified, too white, and hopelessly old fashioned. Support all political, educational, and culturally popular efforts to glorify inferior cultures as diverse, modern, popular, and egalitarian!
Lastly, don't try to help those on the bottom rung up; just kick some of the top rungers down. Example:
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I quickly asked her if she wanted to go somewhere else and she anxiously nodded yes and we ate Mexican.
So don't help her broaden her horizons. Don't explain what the offerings are. Take the dumb arsed high school educated be-itch to Taco Bell!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:55 am to Damone
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Over the past generation, members of the college-educated class have become amazingly good at making sure their children retain their privileged status.
What a load of horseshite. No one actually goes forth with such a mindset. He's seeing people trying to teach their kids how to be successful in life (study, make good grades, try to stay out of trouble, getting them involved in activities to help keep them from getting in trouble, get an education in a field that pays worth a damn, etc) and trying to turn it into purposeful classism.
I wonder... does he live in a ghetto? Did he send his kids to an under-performing school? I highly doubt it.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:56 am to Gaspergou202
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So the college educated class culture is superior for raising children?! Wow! Bombshell!
The best part is.......he cites that "come from the top quarter of income" line as if it's surprising that smart successful people have smart successful children. As if the only factors that drive such a thing are material. Yeah.........nope.
quote:And, their progeny learn from them. I mean. Da frick you say!
So parents (two is superior to one) work hard in their youth, and delay gratification until they graduate from college. Then they work hard to create opportunities for their loved ones.
quote:This one made me LOL. He thinks this requires effort.
They have also become devastatingly good at making sure the children of other classes have limited chances to join their ranks.
quote:Let's be blunt here. His story of the high school friend is made up claptrap.
So don't help her broaden her horizons. Don't explain what the offerings are. Take the dumb arsed high school educated be-itch to Taco Bell!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:57 am to Gaspergou202
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Then they work hard to create opportunities for their loved ones.
When will people finally figure out that working hard versus hanging out on the street corner drinking a 40 and smoking Newports will get you into a higher social class.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:58 am to Bard
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What a load of horseshite. No one actually goes forth with such a mindset. He's seeing people trying to teach their kids how to be successful in life (study, make good grades, try to stay out of trouble, getting them involved in activities to help keep them from getting in trouble, get an education in a field that pays worth a damn, etc) and trying to turn it into purposeful classism.
Yep.
How dare successful parents impart their habits upon their children.
Don't they know they're supposed to make sure their children learn no more from them than they would from the biggest idiots among us?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:59 am to Centinel
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Actually, if you limit that comment to wealthy progressive liberals, it's pretty much accurate.
Precisely!
The Wealthy Liberal Left is the most hypocritical, condescending, Assholes on this planet.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:00 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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It does seem that a lot of coastal elites want plenty of low-income, government subsidized but they have such strict zoning that no such housing can ever exist around them.
That would be the point.
It's also why refugees never seem to get settled anywhere near the coastal elites either.
They want to virtue signal that they care so much, just as long as the poors are kept far, far away from their communities.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:04 am to Damone
Geez...I didn't know people with a high school diploma were relegated to Span and Beanie Weenies.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:06 am to drexyl
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American upper-middle-class culture (where the opportunities are) is now laced with cultural signifiers that are completely illegible unless you happen to have grown up in this class. They play on the normal human fear of humiliation and exclusion. Their chief message is, “You are not welcome here.”
In her thorough book “The Sum of Small Things,” Elizabeth Currid-Halkett argues that the educated class establishes class barriers not through material consumption and wealth display but by establishing practices that can be accessed only by those who possess rarefied information.
ok this is hilarious for 2 reasons
first, he's basically calling out the culture of the upper-middle class. this whole piece is one big "culture" assassination and it's hilarious and just downright stupid. this is like "nuclear family privilege" where they flip reality in order to create marginalized classes and demonize the more optimal behavior. oh upper-middle class people invest in their children more? THE HORROR. instead of trying to get people lower than them to do the same, we should criticize this behavior! the huge assumption is that those lower than the upper-middle class are incapable of adopting this culture, which is utter hogwash.
second, this little "rarefied information" angle is even more bullshite. why? we hold near super computers (historically speaking) in our pockets. when i'm at a restaurant and i don't know what a dish or ingredient is, i do this advanced behavior known as "Googling it". my phone even has a bar on its home screen where i can type in the item and it immediately brings me to pages explaining what it is, its history, and i can click another link and get pictures of it. in about 10 seconds.
this argument is utter insanity compared to reality
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To feel at home in opportunity-rich areas, you’ve got to understand the right barre techniques, sport the right baby carrier, have the right podcast, food truck, tea, wine and Pilates tastes, not to mention possess the right attitudes about David Foster Wallace, child-rearing, gender norms and intersectionality.
a progressive-liberal criticizing this behavior is the height of irony
just like the zoning, this sort of behavior is square within his own socio-political group, however he keeps the actual group he's criticizing nameless and faceless. he's creating an "other" out of his own people and at most calling it the "educated class" without any real discussion into the demos or people involved.
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Status rules are partly about collusion, about attracting educated people to your circle, tightening the bonds between you and erecting shields against everybody else. We in the educated class have created barriers to mobility that are more devastating for being invisible. The rest of America can’t name them, can’t understand them. They just know they’re there.
again, this ignores the fact that information is more available and cheaper than ever before. you cannot "collude" using information when information is available to everyone in this country with hardly any effort. if the barrier to entry is simply knowledge of certain information, then there is no barrier whatsoever. they are not "invisible" or beyond understanding, as he writes. the literal exact opposite is true. at no point in human history have such meaningless "barriers" been accessible to the lowest classes
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
He's getting absolutely roasted for this piece of excrement from all corners. Glad to see it.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:11 am to Taxing Authority
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Over the past generation, members of the college-educated class have become amazingly good at making sure their children retain their privileged status. They have also become devastatingly good at making sure the children of other classes have limited chances to join their ranks.
The first sentence is true.
The second sentence is not.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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just like the zoning, this sort of behavior is square within his own socio-political group, however he keeps the actual group he's criticizing nameless and faceless. he's creating an "other" out of his own people and at most calling it the "educated class" without any real discussion into the demos or people involved.
Boom. Nailed it.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:13 am to Damone
He may be on to something. I hate all that gourmet crap and I love Mexican food, I also only have a high school education.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:15 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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I prefer to argue about policy instead of pointing hypocrisy but this rankles me. It does seem that a lot of coastal elites want plenty of low-income, government subsidized but they have such strict zoning that no such housing can ever exist around them.
yeah it's almost impossible to build affordable housing in these areas due to government regs (and lack of land, in NYC/SF)
this is like the criticisms of gentrification. they want (1) cheap housing that (2) is accessible to the poor and (3) overall desirable for the non-poor. this picture is their argument in tactile terms
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