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re: CNN to air 'The Russian Connection: Inside the Attack on Democracy'

Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:57 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:57 am to
almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?

this isn't a false narrative anymore
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:58 am to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?

To sell it as something new is bullshite.

quote:

this isn't a false narrative anymore
The slant has been fake.
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
7675 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:59 am to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?

this isn't a false narrative anymore


Neither would a " Rosie is a fat slob" narrative.

Issue is it's not news, and no one cares... as proven by the sinking ratings.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:06 am to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?

quote:

attempted to influence


Yes, I admit they did nothing successful.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14516 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:07 am to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?

this isn't a false narrative anymore


You are either incredible naive (I doubt it) or disingenuous.

I believe it to be the later.

Posted by SSpaniel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:09 am to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?


So did CNN and MSNBC. Is anyone investigating them or doing documentaries about them?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:19 am to
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almost everyone admits that all major global powers constantly attempt to influence one another's elections, right?

this isn't a false narrative anymore


FIFY
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52920 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 10:37 am to
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Salmon


I sure hope you are being paid, because you defend CNN like it's your job.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89622 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:38 am to
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Russia attempted to influence our election


...every election since the 1930s.

But that's not the "false narrative" - the "false narrative" (and, believe me, it's very false and the narrative) is that Trump colluded with them in doing so.

Which is UTTER bullshite.

Now THIS isn't a false narrative: Everyone knows it is the DEMS that cozy up to the Russians/Soviets, also going back to the 30s. They compromised the labor unions, Hollywood and the Civil Rights movement with COMINTERN and similar programs. Between Hillary's reset button, to Obama's "I'll have space after the election", to the Clintons' literal selling of OUR uranium, to Russia so that they and Iran can build weapons to point at us.


quote:

this isn't a false narrative


You bet your arse it isn't.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 11:39 am
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:35 pm to
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almost everyone admits that Russia has attempted to influence every one our elections for at least the past 50 years, right?


FIFY
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24995 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:51 pm to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?


Sure. They've been meddling since the Cold War and so have we. I can't wait for this CNN documentary to discuss all that and inform its audience how this is essentially business as usual for Russia and international politics in general. I'm sure this won't turn from a documentary into an editorial about Trump collusion. I'm sure this won't turn into a "documentary" about how but for Russia Clinton would be President. I'm sure this won't turn into a "documentary" about how Trump's presidency is illegitimate due to Russia. I know that has been their spin on the story thus far, but surely this documentary won't go there.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4189 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:11 pm to
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almost everyone admits that Russia attempted to influence our election, right?

this isn't a false narrative anymore


Sorry but consensus of the ignorant doesn't make it real.

I was actually involved in this. I saw what they're selling as an attack. It wasn't. It was IP addresses on a log that showed they visited the website. That's it.

If you think the russian state hackers don't know how to proxy away from a russian IP you're completely ignorant of the process.

If you think that these IP's that Homeland said to search for showing up in a log of visitors to a Sec of State website is an indicator of an attack by ANYBODY, you are ignorant of the process.

I talked to most of the people involved with securing the networks for most of the states during this time. We were all seeing the same things. Nothing out of the ordinary. It didn't happen.

At the time I felt like when we were given a list of IP's to search for as an indicator of compromise that somebody had to be joking. And then I realized that the only reason somebody would give that list out would be to take a census of all the states that had been visited by those IPs so they could say to people who are ignorant about cyber security that all these states were attacked by the russians. I mean there's your proof! It's a russian IP address! There were a couple of others from other countries but the Russian one's were primarily what we saw.

The people in this interview never laid eyes on the data. They likely don't understand the subject, just what they've been told. But now they're out there selling this pack of lies and you people are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.

You watch what the story is going to say. They'll talk about how the 'hackers' visited all these different places. And if you believe that hackers are stupid enough to not proxy and this is how it's done, then well, I can't change your mind. But you don't know what you're talking about.

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