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What is the OT view of mass transit?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:16 pm
Been in D.C. for a few days. Rode the Metro everywhere. Done NYC and London and other places. The number of people that can be moved into, out of, and around cities via trains is mind boggling.
But people in places like the South, and especially in Texas, hate any form of transportation that doesn't involve them sitting alone in a car (or pickup truck, brah). So putting aside the environmental aspects of the internal combustion engine, just from an economic standpoint it seems inefficient and wasteful. Why haven't people outside big northern and eastern cities embraced mass transit?
(Comment about poors on buses in 3-2-1...)
But people in places like the South, and especially in Texas, hate any form of transportation that doesn't involve them sitting alone in a car (or pickup truck, brah). So putting aside the environmental aspects of the internal combustion engine, just from an economic standpoint it seems inefficient and wasteful. Why haven't people outside big northern and eastern cities embraced mass transit?
(Comment about poors on buses in 3-2-1...)
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:17 pm to Slippy
Most southern cities are too spread out for trains to make sense
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:17 pm to Slippy
Because the cities outside of the northeast are too spread out for mass transit to work well.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:19 pm to Slippy
A monorail would be pretty sweet
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:24 pm to Slippy
Do you even population density?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:27 pm to Slippy
A friend of mine just moved to downtown Dallas, and he has a DART stop right in front of his building. The 2 times I've gone to see him, I've taken the train. I have a station about 4 miles away from my house, so it's perfect.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:29 pm to Slippy
Mass transit sucks. Anybody who had to rid the public school bus can tell you that.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:30 pm to Slippy
I rode the train to downtown Dallas three years and loved it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:45 pm to Slippy
Big fan.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:47 pm to Slippy
Road mass transit in St. Louis a few weeks ago, very convenient.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:49 pm to Slippy
I like it. I have used it all through the NE and it works well.
Useless in the South
Useless in the South
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:52 pm to Slippy
The D.C. Metro is the cleanest I've ever used.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:56 pm to Slippy
DART does alright in Dallas if you happen to work downtown and live near a line and since they have built it a lot more housing is near it. It takes people off the road but the vast majority can't use it, too spread out like everybody else said.
and it is only 1 track each way, so no express trains, so you are still talking 40 minutes from way out, which is probably better than the same drive but I just wouldn't set myself up to do that either way.
and it is only 1 track each way, so no express trains, so you are still talking 40 minutes from way out, which is probably better than the same drive but I just wouldn't set myself up to do that either way.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:02 pm to Slippy
A city needs a certain level of density for rail to be effective. When parking lots are an effective use of real estate, rail won't work and/or is just a novelty.
For reference, NYC's 2nd Ave extension cost $4b and took decades to accomplish... for 3 stops between 30 blocks.
I will try to find an article by an ex-NYC MTA budget executive discussing the finances of mass transit and transit in general. His basic message was that most projects have a lifespan of 30 years yet get pushed 50+ years. The deferred maintenance snowballs until complete paralysis.
For reference, NYC's 2nd Ave extension cost $4b and took decades to accomplish... for 3 stops between 30 blocks.
I will try to find an article by an ex-NYC MTA budget executive discussing the finances of mass transit and transit in general. His basic message was that most projects have a lifespan of 30 years yet get pushed 50+ years. The deferred maintenance snowballs until complete paralysis.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:08 pm to Slippy
quote:
Why haven't people outside big northern and eastern cities embraced mass transit?
Dallas mass transit has solid ridership.
This goes unsaid but people who wouldn't be caught dead on a bus will ride the train.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:12 pm to Slippy
Southern cities, such as Houston and Dallas, have great mass transit systems within their primary loops. Outside of these loops require people to own a car. I prefer using my own car by far. Cities that have well funded infrastructure can build tollways and, if you ask me, are way better than sitting on a nasty train.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:25 pm to Slippy
I loved the transit systems in NYC and Paris. Really anywhere in Europe can be traveled by train and bus.
Yes the freedom of a vehicle is nice but sitting in traffic sucks. Being on a train/bus/subway is nice because you can read, eat, listen to music, take a nap, etc. I'd love to ditch car payment, insurance, fuel, and maintenance costs.
No risk of DUI/DWI either.
But houses and businesses are too spread out here for it to be efficient. I think drivers cars will happen before population density reaches the point needed to have effective public transportation here.
Yes the freedom of a vehicle is nice but sitting in traffic sucks. Being on a train/bus/subway is nice because you can read, eat, listen to music, take a nap, etc. I'd love to ditch car payment, insurance, fuel, and maintenance costs.
No risk of DUI/DWI either.
But houses and businesses are too spread out here for it to be efficient. I think drivers cars will happen before population density reaches the point needed to have effective public transportation here.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:26 pm to Slippy
I live in NYC. My commute requires the subway and path train. No way in hell would I try to drive to work.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:27 pm to Slippy
Any form of subway or train and I fricking love it. Would never take my car. A bus however, doesn't have the luxury of avoiding traffic
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:28 pm to Slippy
Public transportation turns any decent area it touches into a fricking cesspool in a short period of time. frick that shite .
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