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re: The US Overdose Epidemic - Big Deal Or Meh?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Couple of years ago I had a minor procedure and didn't think the doc was going to let me go unless I accepted a script. He acted like a used car salesman
Yup because if you liked them and wanted more, most people did, you would have had to visit monthly for refills. Your visit would take AT MOST 5 minutes, usually was $100 and almost always had to be paid for in cash. A little office with one doc, a nurse and a receptionist could easily see 50 people a day which would allow the doctor to clear well over a million, cash, each year. Then the same doc could bring in an extra mil a year for each NP he hired. You can see how the problem got out of hand QUICKLY but the good news is that shite is no longer happening.
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:16 pm to CCTider
quote:Meh. I had an old buddy I roomed with in college OD earlier this year. A shame? Definitely. Do I feel bad for him? Nah, just his son. He knew what he was doing and the potential consequences of his actions, his son deserved a father when he apparently didn't think so. I get that this board folds like a wet paper bag when it comes to this issue, but I'm in the dissenting opinion to refuse to feel for these snowflakes who knowingly put poison into their bodies and want to blame everyone but themselves for their addiction. When a body becomes chemically dependent on a drug it can be hard as all get out to break, but it can be broken. I know all about it. But when that person refuses their support system, and they themselves don't want to get better, putting poison into their body is akin to walking in front of a train. They're adults, they know the potential outcome.
It's funny as hell, until someone in your family gets addicted.
The "Natural selection" comment is funny but you don't think so for the wrong reasons. Their is nothing 'natural' about poisoning oneself. The misnomer is whats funny as hell. Also, I'd feel the same way about a family member.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 2:36 am to Newc
Because if it doesn't get talked about, everyone assumes all addicts and drug users look like the homeless people under the bridge or begging for money. And that all addicts are these horrible criminals. Yes that's true for some. But for the 7 years I used before getting clean (made 2 years this past April 18), I'd say 75-85% of them you'd never knew did drugs. They lived their lives, worked, had a family, but also were addicts. There are so many misconceptions dealing with addicts. I guarantee most addicts would give you the shirt off their back or there last of something 9/10 times more than a non-addict. I've met some great, kind hearted and truly caring people throughout my Addiction and recovery. But those people get overshadowed by the 10% because they don't fit the medias look and behavior of an addict.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 2:52 am to lsunurse
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Hospitals have made patients feel like they are in a damn hotel and can ask for whatever they want instead of them being in an actual hospital.
I'm sure this is true in your experience but as someone who spent half of last year in the hospital, it wasn't true for me, maybe the culture is changing.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:04 am to Brazos
Fact. I'd guarantee almost every single person in this thread knows, associates with, or has a family member that is an addict. Probably someone you'd never would think would use.
And for the people saying they can just spot a junkie? Yea, you might pick out a few. But drug addiction doesn't choose people based on wealth, skin color, religion, or anything. It effects every class/race/demographic. There's millionaire banks on Wall Street doing thousands of $ of coke a week that'd you would look at and say he's so rich and lives the perfect life and would never touch a drug.
I've met drs, lawyers, and almost any other profession at all levels inside the rooms. Don't be too quick to judge. People make mistakes and you never know what's going on in that persons life and mind that literally the ONLY thing that makes the feel whole or feel better is a drug they wish they never touched.
And for the people saying they can just spot a junkie? Yea, you might pick out a few. But drug addiction doesn't choose people based on wealth, skin color, religion, or anything. It effects every class/race/demographic. There's millionaire banks on Wall Street doing thousands of $ of coke a week that'd you would look at and say he's so rich and lives the perfect life and would never touch a drug.
I've met drs, lawyers, and almost any other profession at all levels inside the rooms. Don't be too quick to judge. People make mistakes and you never know what's going on in that persons life and mind that literally the ONLY thing that makes the feel whole or feel better is a drug they wish they never touched.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:13 am to ItzMe1972
quote:It blows my mind that this shite is supposedly necessary for pain management. I had two buddies in hs die because they foolishly thought that dabbling with fentanyl was the same as dabbling with other opiates. You miscalculate the dosage or your tolerance and you're dead. On the street they put it in heroin as a cheaper way to make heroin STRONGER. Cracking down on it ASAP would be a really good start.
Because fentanyl is so much more powerful than heroin, there's a greater chance of overdose if officers get some powder on their skin during field tests. Others can also be affected if officers get powder on their uniforms.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:17 am to eLeSyoU225
quote:They have no idea who these people are. They live amongst you quite possibly in your own family.
And for the people saying they can just spot a junkie? Yea, you might pick out a few. But drug addiction doesn't choose people based on wealth, skin color, religion, or anything. It effects every class/race/demographic
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:18 am to NyCaLa
I can't tell you I'm sorry enough. I couldn't imagine that. I pray for peace for you and your family, coming from a recovering addict myself. I lost my best friend that I grew up with and considered the brother I never had a couple months ago. Got a call at 7:30am from his actual brother balling crying telling me he was brain dead. He od'd and his "friends" took 20-30 min to get their story straight before calling 911. He could've possibly survived.. Seeing him like that and being with family in the room all crying, I couldn't help but picture myself in his position and that being my family. Because it very easily could've been me and still could be. You don't just get over Addiction, it's a every day battle. I just know today, I'm one day further from my last use.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:10 am to Sao
Sorry for the long and multi posts. I feel strongly about this and do everything I can to help recovering addicts.
A lot here might not agree with this, but it's pretty spot on!
A lot here might not agree with this, but it's pretty spot on!
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You see heroin, I see low self-esteem. You see cocaine, I see fear. You see alcohol, I see social anxiety. You see track marks, I see depression. You see a junkie, I see someone's son. You see a prostitute, I see someone's daughter caught in addiction. You see self-centeredness, I see the disease. You see a pill head, I see over prescribing of opiates. You see someone unwilling to change, I see someone hasn't connected with them yet. You see denial, I see someone hurting. You see someone nodding out, I see God showing us they need help. You see the end, I see the beginning. You see a dope fiend, I see a future success story. You see them, I see me.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:34 am to Sao
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:17 am to beHop
incredibly scary
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:35 am to Sao
4 guys that I went to HS with have died from heroin overdoses over the past 2-3 years. Might be more than that, but those are the ones I know of because we'd occasionally hangout and smoke pot together. We weren't close friends, but at the time I would have considered them in my friend group. All of them were from good, suburban middle class families. I think the term epidemic is very fitting.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:56 am to crispyUGA
This is a great Reddit post about how opiates take over your life
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Actually this is an obvious question but it's not what you might think. Let me explain it to you, I've been an opiate addict for a long time and tried many drugs. Drugs that are 'uppers' have the most 'obvious' euphoria. For example if you take adderall/coke/meth/speed/MDMA you will get this shining bright euphoria, self confidence, energy, and other drug-specific feelings (for meth like you are king or for MDMA like you love everyone). However, you owe these drugs back what they delivered to you. After a meth binge, or lots of MDMA use, or staying up all night on coke you will feel like shite. To an extent this aspect is similar to an alcoholic hangover.
On the other hand, for many people who experiment with heroin they are underwhelmed (not including IV usage, but most experimenters rarely ever IV first time). They just feel good, chill, happy, but they feel like this spooky drug 'heroin' hasn't delivered. They are just mellow. Oh obviously it has all been a lie they will think. Heroin isn't spooky, it's chill. It's not addictive like everyone else thinks. It doesn't make you do stupid shite or stay up all day and hallucinate like amphetamines or coke. It doesn't empty your serotonin like MDMA or give you a hangover like alcohol. People tend to just think oh, what a nice drug.
So the next day they wake up and everything is normal. No headache or shitty feeling--just a slight afterglow of that nice feeling. Oh it was cheap as well! It only cost $10 for a whole night of being high! I thought people said heroin was expensive? And then next weekend comes... There are all these drugs I could do but I liked heroin. It didn't 'frick me up,' I could still think clearly. No hangover. No feeling like shite later. I still was awake. It just made me happy and content with life. Oh and it's only $10! Well, I should get some more for the whole weekend. This is great! I will use Heroin on the weekends now!
Now let's say this person works and has responsibilities. He knows he can't go into work drunk, or on MDMA, or high. So he doesn't. It's actually simple. But heroin... Well the user might actually find they do better work on heroin. Instead of being sad or grumpy or depressed with his job... he is just... happy. Mellow. Content. Everything is fine and the world is beautiful. It's raining, it's dark, I woke up at 5:30AM, I'm commuting in traffic. I would have had a headache, I would have been miserable, I would have wondered how my life took me to this point. This point I'm at right now. But no, no, everything is fine. Life is beautiful. The rain drops are just falling and in each one I see the reflection of every persons life around me. Humanity is beautiful. In this still frame shot of traffic on this crowded bus I just found love and peace. Heroin is a wonder drug. Heroin is better than everything else. Heroin makes me who I wish I was. Heroin makes life worth living. Heroin is better than everything else. Heroin builds up a tolerance fast. Heroin starts to cost more money. I need heroin to feel normal. I don't love anymore. Now I'm sick. I can't afford the heroin that I need. How did $10 used to get me high? Now I need $100. That guy that let me try a few lines the first time doesn't actually deal. Oh I need to find a real dealer? This guy is a felon and carries a gun--he can sell me the drug that lets me find love in the world. No this isn't working, I need to quit.
To answer your question, heroin feels nice. That's all, it just feels very nice. You can make the rest up for yourself. Attach your own half-truths to this drug that will show you the world and for a moment you will feel as clever as Faust.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 4:21 pm to Sao
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Why the frick isn't more being done to fight drug manufacturers and the medical profession is stopping this? We can fight the cartels, sure, but they're simply profiteering off of what domestic drug dealers manufacture.
So the mexican cartels are in control of the opiates now?
And you think the powers that be, want to solve this 'problem'?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 4:38 pm to DawgGONIT
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And you think the powers that be, want to solve this 'problem'?
I want to hear this conspiracy theory. Should be good.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:02 pm to GumboDave
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While many addicts are just your common drugie, a good portion of those addicts did not start off with the intent to use illegal drugs. Often people go to a doctor for legitimate pain. The doctors prescribe heavy doses of opioids that are being pushed to them through Big Pharm. The doctor gets a kick back in the process. Win Win for those 2.
That's true for some, but the 19 year old fratstar ODing in his dorm room didn't get that way from a failed back surgery. A good number of these people got started recreationally. You used to see threads here a couple of years ago with guys talking about what kind of pills they're going to party with this weekend. You don't see it any more. I guess they all smartened up or died.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:20 pm to notiger1997
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It's very bad.
A few friends work with rehab centers and it's by far the worst they have ever seen.
I've been speaking to treatment center patients for years. 10 years ago about 40% were in there for opiates/heroin. the last class i spoke to, 24 of 26 were there because of opiates. 1 due to meth and 1 for alcohol. it's a huge problem
Posted on 8/2/17 at 6:22 pm to Sao
As long as junkies dont overdose me, i dont care.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 7:14 pm to Sao
If they didn't clog up medical services, I'd say meh, but well, you know
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:42 pm to GumboDave
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Ive seen lives close to ruined from this scenario
Close to? Try total fricking shambles for some people.
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