re: Watching the SEC Summer Football Tour - LSU. Holy CRAP !!!

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Sometimes being a "fan" means not being an objective observer

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I do not see how any objective observer can fail to have doubts about the LSU HC hire.

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Okay, since my thread has gone to crap I'm willing.

So you don't see how an "objective" observer can "FAIL" to have doubts about the Coach O hire?

Let's play a game, shall we? I'll list the things why I think any "objective" observer with a lick of sense could realize that anybody that thinks the hire is a failure or bad is just not being "objective" at all. You in turn can tell me the points you disagree with and why I should still think the hire was a bad one and have doubts about O and the program:

I'll list the point and give my *opinion of whether I think it makes LSU a better program or not:

1) Fired Cam Cameron - *YES
2) Fired Bradley Dale Peveto - *YES
3) Fired Dameyune Craig (recruiting coordinator last class - had a WR committed since the previous year and found out on signing day the guy would not qualify. Not a good WR's coach. - *YES
4) Fired Jabar Juluke - RB coach responsible for Derrius Guice going the wrong way and missing out on every RB recruit except one. - *YES

5) Extended Dave Aranda - *YES

6) Promoted Dennis Johnson (Meatball) who out-recruited Tom Herman for K'lavon Chaisson. He was and may still be the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2018 class. - *YES

7) Hired Tommie Robinson RB coach - the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2017 class. Has coached in the NFL as well as college. - *YES
8) Hired Matt Canada OC - the only Broyles award candidate on the offensive side of the ball last season. - *YES
9) Hired Mickey Joseph WR - has life long ties to the New Orleans and Louisiana and has been recruiting the area for years - *Remains to be seen
10) Hired Pete Jenkins DL - Probably the most well known and acclaimed D-Line coach in football - college and pro. - *YES

11) Responsible for Austin Thomas being at LSU. - *YES

12) Took over USC mid-season after they had gone 4-7 in their last 11 games and with the exact same team - same coaches, players, staff, admin, etc and went 5-2 including a win over the #4 team in the country. Going from 4-7 to 5-2 at USC. - *YES

13) Took over a lackluster LSU team and guided them to a 7-2 record breaking three all-time offensive records with a TE's coach leading the offense. And now he has hired the only offensive Broyles Award candidate running the offense. - *YES

14) Has coached under and owns 4 NC rings with coaches who could be considered the best two coaches to ever coach in college and pro football winning titles in both - Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll. - *YES

15) Is he changing the culture of LSU football for the better as has been mentioned by several current and former players and outsiders alike. - *YES

16) Is known as a great recruiter.
He was named the 2004 National Recruiter of the Year by The Sporting News and Rivals.com.
In 2011, he was named the Scout.com/FOXSports.com National Recruiter of the Year
In 2011, ESPNU/ESPN The Magazine named him the top recruiter in college football (and third best in all of collegiate athletics)"
In 2012, Sporting News selected him as the nation's No. 2 recruiter.
Rivals.com ranked him as the second-best recruiter of the previous 10 years (2002-11).
- *YES

17) LSU finished #7 on 24/7 and ESPN and #8 on Rivals after signing only 23 players and being the head coach for a matter of months. And this after Coach had shut down all on-campus recruiting during the fall semester including official visits even for committed players until a new coach was hired. - *YES

Sorry for the long post. Guess there is just a lot of information for "objective" observers to look at when trying to decide if the hire was bad or not and if they should continue to have doubts.

I look forward to knowing the above points you disagree with or points that counter what I posted that you know of, that I failed to mention.