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re: ‘Propaganda’: Top MIT Climate Scientist Trashes ‘97% Consensus’ Claim
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:16 am to GumboPot
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:16 am to GumboPot
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So all scientists agree it’s probably warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age. Almost all Scientists agree that if you add CO2, you will have some warming.
It pretty much tells you that 98% of scientists understand that when we add CO2 it warms the planet. For the life of me I don't understand where the miscommunication is if we are, indeed, adding CO2. It's been the hottest years on record recently and we're pouring more into the atmosphere. Why is it so hard to put the giant round peg in the giant round hole and have a grown up conversation
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:28 am to olddawg26
quote:after some judicious manipulation of past data to make it fit the narrative perhaps. But even so, it's nowhere close to as hot as it normally is on Earth if you look at longer timescales (which you should if you want to actually understand climate). For most of the history of life on Earth, there have been no ice caps, no glaciers, etc...life did just fine, cold is really the thing that makes it hard for life on the planet. The 2nd largest mass extinction event in the planets history happened because something triggered a complete planetary freeze to the equator killing almost everything. But whatever, that's just science
It's been the hottest years on record recently and we're pouring more into the atmosphere. Why is it so hard to put the giant round peg in the giant round hole and have a grown up conversation
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:34 am to olddawg26
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Why is it so hard to put the giant round peg in the giant round hole and have a grown up conversation
Simple questions.
1) do you think the climate would be stable forever or liable to change either up or down if mankind didn't exist.
2) if you think mankind is causing the increase in global warming, do you agree that without mankind's influence, the globe would be cooling?
3) If you agree that it is physically impossible for climate to remain constant, which condition do you think mankind would be more likely to survive? = warmer or cooler earth.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:34 am to olddawg26
And yet we have ice ages on record with much higher concentrations of CO2 how do you explain that?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:53 am to olddawg26
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So all scientists agree it’s probably warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age. Almost all Scientists agree that if you add CO2, you will have some warming.
You left out this next part
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Maybe very little warming.”
This is why the discussion goes off in many different directions. You are manipulating the discussion. Its science, it should be more clear cut than it is.
Just out of curiosity, What is your personal gain in this subject? You are in every climate thread. You don't seem to be an expert or have ever claimed to be. Are you sitting on a bunch of carbon credits or something? Sell solar panels?
Your effort is commendable.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 2:30 pm to olddawg26
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It pretty much tells you that 98% of scientists understand that when we add CO2 it warms the planet. For the life of me I don't understand where the miscommunication is if we are, indeed, adding CO2. It's been the hottest years on record recently and we're pouring more into the atmosphere. Why is it so hard to put the giant round peg in the giant round hole and have a grown up conversation
Since when did having a grown up conversation turn in to forcing the country to adhere to one sided international agreements that greatly favor other countries whithout going through the normal course of treaty ratification?
Because that does not sound like a grown up conversation to me. Nor does any of the discourse that has happened since withdrawal from said agreement.
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