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re: Christians Can Learn tolerance from Muslim Migrants per German Finance Minister
Posted on 5/26/17 at 7:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 5/26/17 at 7:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:I'm not, no, and I don't think that's Biblical, either. I believe that you are saved by faith alone in Christ alone and not by your good works (Ephesians 2 spells this out for us).
I'm just playing devil's advocate, no pun intended, but aren't you only being as good as needed to obtain salvation?
quote:It might, but not for the reason you are talking about. It would essentially change the entire religion:
If the Bible said you need to follow all these rules but there is no afterlife for anyone, you should just do it because God commands it.... Would that change your opinion?
-God would not be just
-Therefore there would be no justice administered from God
-Therefore there would be no penalty for sin
-Therefore there would be no need for salvation from the penalty of sin (and no thankfulness for said salvation)
-Therefore there would be no need for salvation provided by Jesus (and faith in Him)
-Therefore there would be no need for Jesus' obedience to the law
-Therefore there would be no need for Jesus to be incarnated
-Therefore there would be no plan for the incarnation from eternity past
I could go on and on and on. Essentially if there is no punishment for sin (because there is no afterlife), the entire religion changes. Given that, I don't know how to answer your hypothetical. You might as well ask if I would believe the Bible if it described a different God with an entirely different set of conditions for the universe. One reason I believe the Bible is because of it's logical consistency within itself and also it's alignment with what we see in the world around us. These changes could drastically change all of that, making it almost impossible to believe without blind faith (which Christians do not have).
quote:People already do things like that for selfish reasons. This change won't change that fundamentally, but might increase the amount of people who say "screw that".
I'm sure you will say no, but we both know a significant proportion of all religious people would say screw that. Which would mean people are motivated by selfish reasons.
quote:Sure, but you have to completely change the religion to get to that point. The way it exists today provides for motivation to obey that is not selfish: gratitude. Gratitude doesn't exist in that hypothetical you provided.
Which is somewhat hypocritical right
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:16 pm to FooManChoo
First of all, thank you for responding to my hypothetical question. Most of the time around here all you get is a smart arse answer I don't mean to be disrespectful it's just something I think about
I just don't understand why God would create me to seek out evidence and science to justify things in the world, but then punish me for eternity for not excepting things on faith. If man was created as an imperfect version of god (in his image and likeness) why does it seem so obvious to me that this is a cruel and unusual experiment? Why can I easily think of a more fair system? Why not just reveal yourself and then accept the people that want to follow you?
Just seems like a sick game to play
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Essentially if there is no punishment for sin (because there is no afterlife), the entire religion changes.
I just don't understand why God would create me to seek out evidence and science to justify things in the world, but then punish me for eternity for not excepting things on faith. If man was created as an imperfect version of god (in his image and likeness) why does it seem so obvious to me that this is a cruel and unusual experiment? Why can I easily think of a more fair system? Why not just reveal yourself and then accept the people that want to follow you?
Just seems like a sick game to play
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