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re: NSIAP: Bill Nye's Degenerate "My Sex Junk" children's singalong (NSFW)
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:06 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:06 am to FooManChoo
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I thought you harped on cherry-picking in an earlier post.
Cherry-picking data.
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make points about their worldview
Make all the points you like. I don't need to address them.
I simply have no interest in convincing you away from your beliefs. It's weird that this bothers you.
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Is that how intellectual discussions are supposed to work?
Once again and as many times as necessary, I have zero interest in discussing your beliefs. We both know there is nothing I can say to change those beliefs and I'll not waste my time.
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I seem to have hit a nerve
This is the least accurate thing you've posted so far.
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you simply state that you don't like what I'm saying
Nah. I'm indifferent.
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non-participation
Where did I say I wouldn't participate in the discussion?
(I didn't)
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If God exists, He does so whether you or I believe He does or not. That's what objectivity means: you don't have to believe it in order for it to be valid.
The existence of a god is separate from the morality of Christianity. If Christianity is given any seriousness, it's entirely possible that a god or gods exist that have nothing to do with your particular religion. It wouldn't even need to be a god.
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If I'm wrong and there is no God, then no matter what else anyone believes, morality would be completely subjective and there would be no basis to judge one standard as better or worse
Incorrect. There are numerous possibilities that don't involve your chosen god.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
"Incorrect. There are numerous possibilities that don't involve your chosen god."
Such as?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:What data were you referring to when you previously said "Only if you believe in the mythology. Cherry-picking, or worse, using religion for control of other people is far worse than anything atheism has ever or will ever do." Your statement was in response to this quotation of mine, "It does, because it recognizes a singular law-giver that is above humanity that will hold all people accountable to it."
Cherry-picking data.
quote:Isn't that the point of a back-and-forth discussion like this one? Point and counter-point? If you don't want to do that then what is your goal in responding?
Make all the points you like. I don't need to address them.
quote:It doesn't bother me, it's just strange that you continue to say you don't care while going out of your way to respond. Seems to be contradictory. I'm actually not concerned with changing your mind, either. If it happens then great, but I'm more concerned with others reading this exchange and hoping to provide some insight into my beliefs and how they can be used to rationally address what is wrong with society as well as show the folly of irrational worldviews that they might hold to, themselves.
I simply have no interest in convincing you away from your beliefs. It's weird that this bothers you.
quote:As I've said before, it appears to be contradictory to say you don't care about discussing my beliefs and that it is a waste of time while taking the time to respond to me and say over and over that you don't care what I believe. At the very least I would think you would want to show others how seriously wrong I am.
Once again and as many times as necessary, I have zero interest in discussing your beliefs. We both know there is nothing I can say to change those beliefs and I'll not waste my time.
quote:You seem to be bothered by my "claim that [my] beliefs give [me] objective morality that only [my] religion is capable of providing" to the point of needing to continue to respond to it even though you aren't offering any specific rebuttal other than to say I'm wrong. If my truth claims aren't hitting a nerve, then good, but your reaction would suggest otherwise.
This is the least accurate thing you've posted so far.
quote:You claim indifference yet you are making quite the effort to say that I'm wrong. That doesn't compute unless you are being contrarian for the sake of contrarianism and you have to have the last word regardless of how you personally feel about an issue. You also stated previously (I just quoted it in the previous section) that you are fine with what I believe up until the point of my claim of exclusive moral objectivity. That doesn't sound like indifference.
Nah. I'm indifferent.
quote:I said that you aren't offering any response and you said "That's how not participating works." If you didn't mean non-participation from that statement, you have a strange way of expressing it. Maybe you'd like to clarify what you meant?
Where did I say I wouldn't participate in the discussion?
(I didn't)
quote:The morality as provided in Christianity is directly tied to the God of Christianity which has certain attributes, such as immutability, omnipotence, and moral purity or purity in character. The morality of the religion reflects the God of the religion.
The existence of a god is separate from the morality of Christianity. If Christianity is given any seriousness, it's entirely possible that a god or gods exist that have nothing to do with your particular religion. It wouldn't even need to be a god.
An objective moral code would require a god to exist that not only creates a moral law/code but upholds and enforces it, otherwise such a moral code might technically be objective from a human perspective but it doesn't matter if it's obeyed since there is no repercussions for not doing so and talking about one would then be meaningless.
A god or sentient being would be needed in order to create and enforce a moral law. Some sort of force couldn't do it as it would require sentience of some kind or another as a prerequisite.
quote:What other possibilities are you referring to that would allow for an objective moral standard that people should live by?
Incorrect. There are numerous possibilities that don't involve your chosen god.
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