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AI: The future of humanity and artificial intelligence

Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:22 pm
Vanity Fair Article by Dowd on Elon Musk and AI

What are your thoughts on this subject? I've been reading on it lately and to be honest, it is scary stuff.

By the way, the linked article is long but worth the read.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:24 pm to
Elon loves him some Elon

Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48952 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:28 pm to
Listen to Joe Rogan's podcast #930 with Will MacAskill
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27832 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:30 pm to
I'm hopeful there is an intelligence barrier that even computers can't cross. I don't like the thought of being dethroned at the top of the food chain.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:32 pm to
If you like novels...you'd find "The Transhumanist Wager" fun. Smart dude wrote it. The essential point is that there are people out there who indeed believe that the ticket to immortality and 'Heaven' is through high tech. And they will NOT be constrained by Religious Ideas or Theological-based morality which they consider ludicrous...and in effect, immoral...if it denies them their basic freedom to pursue immortality via high tech.

I found if overly dramatic and simplistic in the way it portrayed the (stereotypically stupid, selfish and evil) Religious characters. But you'll get the drift.

Brave new world coming. "I will take the wise in their own craftiness" (Good Book). I guess somebody has to do it.
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:32 pm to
Start with artificial Womb first. That will be a game changer.
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:35 pm to
Terminator will come to fruition.

Probably not in our lifetime
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:38 pm to
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.


That, my friends, is Artificial Intelligence.

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56498 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:46 pm to
Blah blah Skynet blah blah robot overlords.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83649 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:57 pm to
It's pretty much inevitable. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, but its coming.

What I do see in my lifetime is the beginning of the moral debate on AI "slavery" and whatnot
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11043 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:03 pm to
Read the article this morning and was weighing whether to kill myself.

But then I realized that if I just waited for the Terminators to do it for me, I would in essence be exercising final control over their actions!

So at least I'll have that going for me...
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67216 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:12 pm to
Like robots won't follow us to Mars, they're ALREADY THERE!!!
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:19 pm to
Robot start fricking with me I'm firing up the cutting torch. Terminator be gone.

Posted by WONTONGO
Member since Oct 2007
4297 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:22 pm to
This guys does a great job of explaining AI. Elon Musk brought him out to SpaceX to meet with him after reading his articles.

LINK

LINK
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:33 pm to
AI will, won't or already has come into (limited) fruition, depending on your criteria.

It wasn't that long ago that some smart people believed that AI would be "here" once computers could beat humans at chess because chess supposedly required a level of human like strategic thinking. Nope, you just needed enough capacity to know all 600 sextillion or however many moves and you were golden.

This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:17 pm to
Also this is a good summary of the various skeptical criticisms of Musk/Hawking/Bostrom/etc.
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The Argument From Stephen Hawking's Cat

Stephen Hawking is one of the most brilliant people alive, but say he wants to get his cat into the cat carrier. How's he going to do it?

He can model the cat's behavior in his mind and figure out ways to persuade it. He knows a lot about feline behavior. But ultimately, if the cat doesn't want to get in the carrier, there's nothing Hawking can do about it despite his overpowering advantage in intelligence.

Even if he devoted his career to feline motivation and behavior, rather than theoretical physics, he still couldn't talk the cat into it.

You might think I'm being offensive or cheating because Stephen Hawking is disabled. But an artificial intelligence would also initially not be embodied, it would be sitting on a server somewhere, lacking agency in the world. It would have to talk to people to get what it wants.
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The Argument From My Roommate

My roommate was the smartest person I ever met in my life. He was incredibly brilliant, and all he did was lie around and play World of Warcraft between bong rips.

The assumption that any intelligent agent will want to recursively self-improve, let alone conquer the galaxy, to better achieve its goals makes unwarranted assumptions about the nature of motivation.

It's perfectly possible an AI won't do much of anything, except use its powers of hyperpersuasion to get us to bring it brownies.
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The Argument From Childhood

Intelligent creatures don't arise fully formed. We're born into this world as little helpless messes, and it takes us a long time of interacting with the world and with other people in the world before we can start to be intelligent beings.

Even the smartest human being comes into the world helpless and crying, and requires years to get some kind of grip on themselves.

It's possible that the process could go faster for an AI, but it is not clear how much faster it could go. Exposure to real-world stimuli means observing things at time scales of seconds or longer.

Moreover, the first AI will only have humans to interact with—its development will necessarily take place on human timescales. It will have a period when it needs to interact with the world, with people in the world, and other baby superintelligences to learn to be what it is.

Furthermore, we have evidence from animals that the developmental period *grows* with increasing intelligence, so that we would have to babysit an AI and change its (figurative) diapers for decades before it grew coordinated enough to enslave us all.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 4:18 pm
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